March 8, 1993:
On March 8, there were only 38 conversations for a total of approximately four hours. The few notable events and conversations are as follows.
11:04 a.m. to Three men left the compound
12:45 p.m. and buried the body of Peter Gent.
12:41-8 p.m. The nurse advised FBI that Koresh's wounds were healing nicely.
1:37 p.m. David Koresh reconfirmed:"I am not going to commit suicide."
3:50 p.m. FBI delivered six gallons of milk to the compound.
6:07 p.m. Koresh and Schneider sent out a videotape showing Koresh's wounds and several children.
10:25 p.m. Tapes from family members were played over the telephone to several individuals in the compound.
(The Myth: David Koresh was a hero for gun rights. He REFUSED to give up his guns so the FBI murdered him!)
[The Truth: What Vernon Howell REALLY was, was a wannabee rock star, a mass-murderer, a pedophile, a psychopath and a fake priest. He claimed, alternately, to be Jesus Christ, God or the Lamb of God, depending on how he felt that day and what he thought he could get away with. Gun nuts cannot accept the fact that he fooled them just as he did his followers, so they have to elevate him into ‘a hero for gun rights.’
[It was about this time that the Myth of Vernon had spread to ‘militia cells’ all over the country; in other words, more and more peckerwoods and dupes were grumbling into their Budweisers that Vernon and his minions were peacefully praying in a church when the evil feds came calling. Vernon’s only problem was not that he was a pedophile, but that he didn’t murder ALL the ATF agents when they arrived with their warrant as she should have done. In their eyes, they deserved it. So they grumbled they were going to do something about it. What did they do? Well, does the word ‘jackshit’ ring a bell?]
S. Olson
Monday, March 8, 2010
Sunday, March 7, 2010
Day Eight of the Waco Standoff
Tuesday, March 7, 1993:
The early morning hours began with Koresh on the telephone at 12:11 a.m. During this entire conversation, which lasted until 3:15 a.m., the negotiators urged Koresh and his followers to leave peacefully. Koresh, in turn preached, claimed on numerous occasions that he was "Christ" and the "Lord," and stressed that everyone in the compound was remaining inside pursuant to their own free will. The negotiators noted at 12:45 a.m. that Koresh's delivery of religious rhetoric was so strong that they could hardly interrupt him to discuss possible surrender.
For the remainder of March 7, virtually everyone in the compound who spoke to FBI negotiators expressed their anger and frustration. There were 42 separate conversations which lasted approximately twelve hours. The two main concerns of the Branch Davidians on that day were the FBI's delay in delivering milk for the children, and the denial of direct access to the media.
Concerning the milk, the FBI had offered milk in return for the release of some children. This offer was rejected by Schneider and Koresh at 9:12 a.m. Afterwards, four different individuals came on the line and complained bitterly about the milk. These individuals also confirmed that they did not want to come out.
Conversations were held with Schneider and Koresh between 12:23 p.m. and 12:51 p.m., and again between 2:48 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. To the entreaties of the negotiators, Schneider, Koresh, and Wayne Martin threatened, preached, and refused to agree to anything. Koresh stressed several times during these conversations that only he knew the secret of the Seven Seals, and that he would refuse to listen to anyone who did not know as much as he. Koresh asserted that, if negotiators or some preachers could prove to him that he was wrong about the Seven Seals, he would surrender. However, on the other hand, Koresh declared that, if he were right about the Seven Seals, "you're mine!"
At 6:11 p,.m., after speaking to several other individuals, the negotiators spoke once again with Koresh. In this conversation Koresh refused to consider sending more children out:
KORESH: "You're dealing with my biological children now.
FBI: Why do you say that?
KORESH: Because that's what we've come down to."
Later in the conversation, after additional threats by Koresh, the FBI negotiator said:
FBI: Do you, do you really think we're going to start firing indiscriminately up at that place? [i.e., the compound]
KORESH: I sure hope so.
The evening ended with continuing conversations but no progress.
(The Myth: The Davidians COULDN’T come out of the compound! The FBI wouldn’t let them out!)
[The Truth: Oh bullshit. The FBI tried weeks of negotiations to get the Davidians to come out just like the 14 kids that came out in the first two days, but the Davidians held firm in their “no.” All the FBI got was that Jesus Wannabee saying “I sure hope so,” when the possibility of the FBI shooting up the place rears its head.]
S. Olson.
The early morning hours began with Koresh on the telephone at 12:11 a.m. During this entire conversation, which lasted until 3:15 a.m., the negotiators urged Koresh and his followers to leave peacefully. Koresh, in turn preached, claimed on numerous occasions that he was "Christ" and the "Lord," and stressed that everyone in the compound was remaining inside pursuant to their own free will. The negotiators noted at 12:45 a.m. that Koresh's delivery of religious rhetoric was so strong that they could hardly interrupt him to discuss possible surrender.
For the remainder of March 7, virtually everyone in the compound who spoke to FBI negotiators expressed their anger and frustration. There were 42 separate conversations which lasted approximately twelve hours. The two main concerns of the Branch Davidians on that day were the FBI's delay in delivering milk for the children, and the denial of direct access to the media.
Concerning the milk, the FBI had offered milk in return for the release of some children. This offer was rejected by Schneider and Koresh at 9:12 a.m. Afterwards, four different individuals came on the line and complained bitterly about the milk. These individuals also confirmed that they did not want to come out.
Conversations were held with Schneider and Koresh between 12:23 p.m. and 12:51 p.m., and again between 2:48 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. To the entreaties of the negotiators, Schneider, Koresh, and Wayne Martin threatened, preached, and refused to agree to anything. Koresh stressed several times during these conversations that only he knew the secret of the Seven Seals, and that he would refuse to listen to anyone who did not know as much as he. Koresh asserted that, if negotiators or some preachers could prove to him that he was wrong about the Seven Seals, he would surrender. However, on the other hand, Koresh declared that, if he were right about the Seven Seals, "you're mine!"
At 6:11 p,.m., after speaking to several other individuals, the negotiators spoke once again with Koresh. In this conversation Koresh refused to consider sending more children out:
KORESH: "You're dealing with my biological children now.
FBI: Why do you say that?
KORESH: Because that's what we've come down to."
Later in the conversation, after additional threats by Koresh, the FBI negotiator said:
FBI: Do you, do you really think we're going to start firing indiscriminately up at that place? [i.e., the compound]
KORESH: I sure hope so.
The evening ended with continuing conversations but no progress.
(The Myth: The Davidians COULDN’T come out of the compound! The FBI wouldn’t let them out!)
[The Truth: Oh bullshit. The FBI tried weeks of negotiations to get the Davidians to come out just like the 14 kids that came out in the first two days, but the Davidians held firm in their “no.” All the FBI got was that Jesus Wannabee saying “I sure hope so,” when the possibility of the FBI shooting up the place rears its head.]
S. Olson.
Friday, March 5, 2010
Day Six of the Waco Standoff
March 5, 1993
This day began on an upbeat note when Heather Jones, age 9, was released at 8:39 a.m. However, this event had to be balanced against the notification from the Methodist Children's Home that Joan Vaega, who had been released on March 2, had a note pinned to her jacket. The note was from Joan's mother to Joan's older sister Ursula in Hawaii. It stated that by the time Ursula read the note-1 she (the mother) would be dead, and that once the children were out, the adults were going to die.
The FBI had been concerned from the outset about the possibility that those inside the compound might commit suicide. For this reason, the negotiators asked Koresh and Schneider on numerous occasions whether they were contemplating suicide, and whether everyone was going to come out of the compound alive. Both Koresh and Schneider always assured the negotiators that suicide was not an option, and that everyone was going to come out. During the entire course of the standoff, the FBI sought the advice of experts on the issue of suicide. They also sought the advice of former and present Branch Davidians. Unfortunately, the FBI received inconsistent information about the likelihood of suicide, the effect of which was to leave the FBI with no choice but to speak directly to Koresh, to determine whether suicide would occur.
At 9:45 a.m., the FBI learned from local water supply officials that the compound had its own separate water supply that could not be shut off. The water came from a well with an electric pump. Therefore, unless the pump could be shut down, their water supply was limitless. The Davidians also, according to information obtained by the FBI, had extensive supplies of food, including canned goods and military-style MREs (Meals Ready to Eat). It was believed that these supplies could last for up to one year. Witnesses told the FBI and Texas Rangers that the Branch Davidians had purchased literally thousands of surplus MREs.
In a conversation at 11:59 a.m., Koresh admitted that he and his followers had been preparing for battle with the authorities since 1985, and he threatened to "blow the tanks to pieces." In the same conversation the FBI offered, and Koresh accepted, a suture kit to treat his wounds, a videotape of the children who had been released, and photographs of the children for the parents who had remained in the compound. These items were delivered to the front door of the compound at 12:50 p.m. Part of the FBI's negotiation strategy was to play on parental feelings for the children, and hopefully hasten the exit of the parents.
Koresh continued to alternate between preaching to the negotiators and threatening violence for most of the afternoon. Koresh firmly maintained that he could not come out until ordered to do so by God. At 5:22 p.m., when questioned about additional children coming out, Koresh stated for the first time that "We're dealing with some of my children" and that "my children that I have are different than the other children." This was the first indication that Koresh might not allow children he considered to be his to leave.
At 5:53 p.m. Schneider informed the negotiators that Peter Gent's body had been found at the edge of the building within the compound. Gent had been shot and killed, presumably by the ATF, during the initial shootout on February 28. Schneider wanted to remove the body and give it to the FBI; however, the negotiators refused this request unless two persons, who would remain outside, accompanied the body. Koresh refused to allow this; therefore, Peter Gent's body remained on the grounds.
The evening ended with Koresh criticizing the negotiators about their lack of knowledge of the Seven Seals, and Schneider's continuing declarations of full support for Koresh.
(The Myth: The Davidians never intended to commit suicide. They weren’t hurting anybody. Why didn’t the FBI leave them alone?)
[The Truth: The families of the four murdered ATF agents might have a different opinion of the Davidians ‘not hurting anybody.’ The FBI didn’t leave them alone because it’s their responsibility to arrest people who shoot cops. The Goofy Bastards think they should just go away and lick their wounds. Man, I can't help but notice that Festus has NOTHING to say about any of this. LOL
[Well, Vernon's back telling lies to the FBI again. This marks the fifth day Vernon's told a whopper.]
S. Olson
This day began on an upbeat note when Heather Jones, age 9, was released at 8:39 a.m. However, this event had to be balanced against the notification from the Methodist Children's Home that Joan Vaega, who had been released on March 2, had a note pinned to her jacket. The note was from Joan's mother to Joan's older sister Ursula in Hawaii. It stated that by the time Ursula read the note-1 she (the mother) would be dead, and that once the children were out, the adults were going to die.
The FBI had been concerned from the outset about the possibility that those inside the compound might commit suicide. For this reason, the negotiators asked Koresh and Schneider on numerous occasions whether they were contemplating suicide, and whether everyone was going to come out of the compound alive. Both Koresh and Schneider always assured the negotiators that suicide was not an option, and that everyone was going to come out. During the entire course of the standoff, the FBI sought the advice of experts on the issue of suicide. They also sought the advice of former and present Branch Davidians. Unfortunately, the FBI received inconsistent information about the likelihood of suicide, the effect of which was to leave the FBI with no choice but to speak directly to Koresh, to determine whether suicide would occur.
At 9:45 a.m., the FBI learned from local water supply officials that the compound had its own separate water supply that could not be shut off. The water came from a well with an electric pump. Therefore, unless the pump could be shut down, their water supply was limitless. The Davidians also, according to information obtained by the FBI, had extensive supplies of food, including canned goods and military-style MREs (Meals Ready to Eat). It was believed that these supplies could last for up to one year. Witnesses told the FBI and Texas Rangers that the Branch Davidians had purchased literally thousands of surplus MREs.
In a conversation at 11:59 a.m., Koresh admitted that he and his followers had been preparing for battle with the authorities since 1985, and he threatened to "blow the tanks to pieces." In the same conversation the FBI offered, and Koresh accepted, a suture kit to treat his wounds, a videotape of the children who had been released, and photographs of the children for the parents who had remained in the compound. These items were delivered to the front door of the compound at 12:50 p.m. Part of the FBI's negotiation strategy was to play on parental feelings for the children, and hopefully hasten the exit of the parents.
Koresh continued to alternate between preaching to the negotiators and threatening violence for most of the afternoon. Koresh firmly maintained that he could not come out until ordered to do so by God. At 5:22 p.m., when questioned about additional children coming out, Koresh stated for the first time that "We're dealing with some of my children" and that "my children that I have are different than the other children." This was the first indication that Koresh might not allow children he considered to be his to leave.
At 5:53 p.m. Schneider informed the negotiators that Peter Gent's body had been found at the edge of the building within the compound. Gent had been shot and killed, presumably by the ATF, during the initial shootout on February 28. Schneider wanted to remove the body and give it to the FBI; however, the negotiators refused this request unless two persons, who would remain outside, accompanied the body. Koresh refused to allow this; therefore, Peter Gent's body remained on the grounds.
The evening ended with Koresh criticizing the negotiators about their lack of knowledge of the Seven Seals, and Schneider's continuing declarations of full support for Koresh.
(The Myth: The Davidians never intended to commit suicide. They weren’t hurting anybody. Why didn’t the FBI leave them alone?)
[The Truth: The families of the four murdered ATF agents might have a different opinion of the Davidians ‘not hurting anybody.’ The FBI didn’t leave them alone because it’s their responsibility to arrest people who shoot cops. The Goofy Bastards think they should just go away and lick their wounds. Man, I can't help but notice that Festus has NOTHING to say about any of this. LOL
[Well, Vernon's back telling lies to the FBI again. This marks the fifth day Vernon's told a whopper.]
S. Olson
Thursday, March 4, 2010
Day Five of the Waco Siege
THURSDAY, MARCH 4:
Negotiators jawbone for 11 hours with various Davidians, including 7 hours and 38 minutes with KORESH. The negotiators remain "calm and conciliatory." A memo written by Pete SMERICK and Mark YOUNG, two FBI psychological profilers, says a strategy of negotiations, coupled with ever increasing tactical presence, could be counter-productive and result in the loss of life.
(Myth: The FBI hates guns and that’s why they wanted to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: This one just makes no fucking sense at all. On one hand the Goofy Bastards scream that the FBI pinned down the Davidians so they could burn to death in their compound, then they claim the FBI hates guns. So, by their own fruitcake reasoning the gun-hating FBI pinned down the Davidians with anything but guns. Spitballs maybe.
Well, at least this marks the first day Vernon didn’t lie to them.]
S. Olson
Negotiators jawbone for 11 hours with various Davidians, including 7 hours and 38 minutes with KORESH. The negotiators remain "calm and conciliatory." A memo written by Pete SMERICK and Mark YOUNG, two FBI psychological profilers, says a strategy of negotiations, coupled with ever increasing tactical presence, could be counter-productive and result in the loss of life.
(Myth: The FBI hates guns and that’s why they wanted to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: This one just makes no fucking sense at all. On one hand the Goofy Bastards scream that the FBI pinned down the Davidians so they could burn to death in their compound, then they claim the FBI hates guns. So, by their own fruitcake reasoning the gun-hating FBI pinned down the Davidians with anything but guns. Spitballs maybe.
Well, at least this marks the first day Vernon didn’t lie to them.]
S. Olson
Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Day Four of the Waco Standoff
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3:
In a conciliatory gesture, the FBI intervenes to have murder charges dropped against two elderly women, Davidians who had left the compound on March 2. Speaking with negotiators, KORESH accounts for his failure to surrender, as agreed, by saying he's "dealing now with his Father" and not with "your bureaucratic system of government." And he delivers various rambling sermons, focusing on such Biblical matters as "unlocking" the Seven Seals and interpreting God's intentions about the end of the world. In a late-evening conversation, he bristles at the movement of armored vehicles around the compound and says the FBI would have to "look at some of the pictures of the little ones that ended up perishing." [Scruggs 38-41]
(Myth: The FBI never intended anybody to come out of that compound alive.)
[The Truth: Oh really? Maybe that’s why they had day after day of painstaking negotiations with Burnin’ Vernon--listening to his bullshit for weeks--all with the goal of getting the Davidians out alive and unharmed. Here’s a newsflash: Burnin’ Vernon was lying to the FBI from Day One. What he REALLY wanted was to drag them into his weird world where he was Jesus and he could fuck their wives as much as he wanted. In other words, Vernon’s theology boiled down to, ‘All for me, none for you.’
You know what made Vernon really mad? The fact that he couldn’t preach on one of the religious networks after he lied to the FBI and said he’d come out once one of his tapes was broadcast, which it was. TWICE. They didn’t take him seriously after that and that infuriated him. In the early days he bitched and whined about it constantly. Later on in the siege, when the FBI was going to tow away his fucking Camaro, Vernon got VERY upset.
By the way, this marks the FOURTH time Vernon lied to the FBI.]
In a conciliatory gesture, the FBI intervenes to have murder charges dropped against two elderly women, Davidians who had left the compound on March 2. Speaking with negotiators, KORESH accounts for his failure to surrender, as agreed, by saying he's "dealing now with his Father" and not with "your bureaucratic system of government." And he delivers various rambling sermons, focusing on such Biblical matters as "unlocking" the Seven Seals and interpreting God's intentions about the end of the world. In a late-evening conversation, he bristles at the movement of armored vehicles around the compound and says the FBI would have to "look at some of the pictures of the little ones that ended up perishing." [Scruggs 38-41]
(Myth: The FBI never intended anybody to come out of that compound alive.)
[The Truth: Oh really? Maybe that’s why they had day after day of painstaking negotiations with Burnin’ Vernon--listening to his bullshit for weeks--all with the goal of getting the Davidians out alive and unharmed. Here’s a newsflash: Burnin’ Vernon was lying to the FBI from Day One. What he REALLY wanted was to drag them into his weird world where he was Jesus and he could fuck their wives as much as he wanted. In other words, Vernon’s theology boiled down to, ‘All for me, none for you.’
You know what made Vernon really mad? The fact that he couldn’t preach on one of the religious networks after he lied to the FBI and said he’d come out once one of his tapes was broadcast, which it was. TWICE. They didn’t take him seriously after that and that infuriated him. In the early days he bitched and whined about it constantly. Later on in the siege, when the FBI was going to tow away his fucking Camaro, Vernon got VERY upset.
By the way, this marks the FOURTH time Vernon lied to the FBI.]
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Day Three of the Waco Standoff
TUESDAY, MARCH 2:
Into the wee hours the negotiations continue. In the early morning, KORESH makes a one-hour audio tape of his religious teachings, adding a preamble promising to surrender upon the national broadcast of tape. At 1:30 p.m., the tape is broadcast over the Christian Broadcasting Network. At 5:58 p.m, the word is relayed to negotiations from KORESH that God had spoken to him and had told him to wait. GERSON states that the strategy is "to talk them out, no matter how long it took." CLINTON calls GERSON and agrees to deploy military vehicles for safety purposes. [ Scruggs 32-35, 238, 239]
(Myth: Clinton planned all along to use the military to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: Using the military was Gerson’s idea.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied THREE times.]
S. Olson
Into the wee hours the negotiations continue. In the early morning, KORESH makes a one-hour audio tape of his religious teachings, adding a preamble promising to surrender upon the national broadcast of tape. At 1:30 p.m., the tape is broadcast over the Christian Broadcasting Network. At 5:58 p.m, the word is relayed to negotiations from KORESH that God had spoken to him and had told him to wait. GERSON states that the strategy is "to talk them out, no matter how long it took." CLINTON calls GERSON and agrees to deploy military vehicles for safety purposes. [ Scruggs 32-35, 238, 239]
(Myth: Clinton planned all along to use the military to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: Using the military was Gerson’s idea.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied THREE times.]
S. Olson
Monday, March 1, 2010
Day Two of The Waco Siege
MONDAY, MARCH 1:
In the early morning, Acting Attorney General Stuart GERSON gives an update to CLINTON, who implicitly endorses a negotiated solution and asks to be advised if there is any change in strategy. Larry POTTS at FBI headquarters in Washington and JAMAR in Waco are in command. Negotiations continue, and over the course of the day, 10 children are sent out of the compound. By 5 p.m., the FBI takes control with a fully functioning command post. FBI agents in armored vehicles deploy to the compound's perimeter. KORESH becomes extremely agitated when the armored vehicles move closer and when his phone line is cut except for outgoing calls to the negotiators. At least twice, KORESH says suicide is not being contemplated. CLINTON and FBI Director William SESSIONS talk about how to handle crisis. SESSIONS favors "waiting strategy," and CLINTON approves this tactic. [ Scruggs 9, 27, 28, 29, 30, 126, 237]
(Myth: [Attorney General] Janet Reno took charge of Waco from Day One and privately vowed to burn the Davidians to death for defying the federal government’ s arrest warrant.)
[The Truth: Stuart Gerson, the acting attorney general and a creature from the administration of Bush the Smarter, was in charge of the Department of Justice when the Davidians shot the ATF agents. Since President Clinton was slow in making his appointments, when Burnin’ Vernon and his followers decided to shoot the cops, he didn’t even have an AG yet.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied twice to the FBI when he said suicide was not being contemplated. Vernon’s brand of Christianity espoused that the U.S. government was part of ‘evil Babylon’ and that the Davidians would reach God sooner if they died in a fire.]
S. Olson
In the early morning, Acting Attorney General Stuart GERSON gives an update to CLINTON, who implicitly endorses a negotiated solution and asks to be advised if there is any change in strategy. Larry POTTS at FBI headquarters in Washington and JAMAR in Waco are in command. Negotiations continue, and over the course of the day, 10 children are sent out of the compound. By 5 p.m., the FBI takes control with a fully functioning command post. FBI agents in armored vehicles deploy to the compound's perimeter. KORESH becomes extremely agitated when the armored vehicles move closer and when his phone line is cut except for outgoing calls to the negotiators. At least twice, KORESH says suicide is not being contemplated. CLINTON and FBI Director William SESSIONS talk about how to handle crisis. SESSIONS favors "waiting strategy," and CLINTON approves this tactic. [ Scruggs 9, 27, 28, 29, 30, 126, 237]
(Myth: [Attorney General] Janet Reno took charge of Waco from Day One and privately vowed to burn the Davidians to death for defying the federal government’ s arrest warrant.)
[The Truth: Stuart Gerson, the acting attorney general and a creature from the administration of Bush the Smarter, was in charge of the Department of Justice when the Davidians shot the ATF agents. Since President Clinton was slow in making his appointments, when Burnin’ Vernon and his followers decided to shoot the cops, he didn’t even have an AG yet.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied twice to the FBI when he said suicide was not being contemplated. Vernon’s brand of Christianity espoused that the U.S. government was part of ‘evil Babylon’ and that the Davidians would reach God sooner if they died in a fire.]
S. Olson
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