LMAO!
So if you give money to the Republicans, here's where it goes:
$17,500 on private jets
$15,000 for limousines
$32,000 for luxury hotels
and $1,946.25 for THIS:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/jon-stewart-talks-rnc-at-bondage-themed-strip-club-2-girls-1-gop-video.php?ref=mp
Yeah, the 'family values' crowd at work.
S. Olson
Wednesday, March 31, 2010
Day 32 of the Waco Standoff
March 31,1993
Pursuant to the instructions of the Attorney General, Mark Richard of the Criminal Division, accompanied by departmental and FBI supervisors, held several meetings in Waco and San Antonio. The meetings were held with SAC Jamar, AUSA Johnston, Texas Rangers supervisors, and U.S. Attorney Ederer in an attempt to determine the reasons for the coordination problems and to make recommendations to the Attorney General.
A fourth meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin took place from 9:35 a.m. until 12:10 p.m. A fifth meeting took place between 3:07 and 6:05 p.m.
After this last meeting, DeGuerin spoke with SAC Jamar. DeGuerin appeared to be frustrated with the negotiation efforts. He told Jamar that for every issue he resolved, Koresh would bring up a new one. DeGuerin also said that at one point, when
it appeared that Koresh was about to make a serious commitment to surrender, he (Koresh) appeared to "pass out." A few moments later, he regained his composure and diverted the conversation away from surrender. DeGuerin stated that he was unable to get any commitments from Koresh.
It was agreed that DeGuerin would try again the next day.
(The Myth: The Texas Rangers, the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys all disagreed with one another. This proves that Koresh didn’t do anything wrong!)
[The Truth: Yeah, I’ve heard this bullshit before. The Texas Rangers thought it was okay to shoot the police. [Snort.] They ‘disagreed’ on procedural matters. NOT that Vernon and his followers should come out of the compound with their hands up right fucking NOW.]
Pursuant to the instructions of the Attorney General, Mark Richard of the Criminal Division, accompanied by departmental and FBI supervisors, held several meetings in Waco and San Antonio. The meetings were held with SAC Jamar, AUSA Johnston, Texas Rangers supervisors, and U.S. Attorney Ederer in an attempt to determine the reasons for the coordination problems and to make recommendations to the Attorney General.
A fourth meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin took place from 9:35 a.m. until 12:10 p.m. A fifth meeting took place between 3:07 and 6:05 p.m.
After this last meeting, DeGuerin spoke with SAC Jamar. DeGuerin appeared to be frustrated with the negotiation efforts. He told Jamar that for every issue he resolved, Koresh would bring up a new one. DeGuerin also said that at one point, when
it appeared that Koresh was about to make a serious commitment to surrender, he (Koresh) appeared to "pass out." A few moments later, he regained his composure and diverted the conversation away from surrender. DeGuerin stated that he was unable to get any commitments from Koresh.
It was agreed that DeGuerin would try again the next day.
(The Myth: The Texas Rangers, the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys all disagreed with one another. This proves that Koresh didn’t do anything wrong!)
[The Truth: Yeah, I’ve heard this bullshit before. The Texas Rangers thought it was okay to shoot the police. [Snort.] They ‘disagreed’ on procedural matters. NOT that Vernon and his followers should come out of the compound with their hands up right fucking NOW.]
Tuesday, March 30, 2010
LMAO! Beckerheads Get EXACTLY What They Deserve!
Lamont, I didn't think of this one, but I wish I had:
http://gawker.com/5505615/someone-acorn-tows-53-cars-during-glenn-beck-show
With thanks to WFTV and Gawker.com.
S. Olson
http://gawker.com/5505615/someone-acorn-tows-53-cars-during-glenn-beck-show
With thanks to WFTV and Gawker.com.
S. Olson
Gee, You Don't Hear Palin's "How's That 'Hopey Changey' Thing Workin' Out For Ya?" Very Much, Now Do You?
Ever since health care reform passed, I don't hear it at all.
LMAO!
Hey, how's that 'Hooked On Phonics' thing working for ya?
S. Olson
LMAO!
Hey, how's that 'Hooked On Phonics' thing working for ya?
S. Olson
The Latest On GOP Cocksucker #337
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Day 31 of the Waco Standoff
March 30. 1993
The meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin occurred as scheduled at 10:00 a.m. This meeting lasted until noon. A second meeting took place between 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m.
Additionally, at 3:18 p.m., Steve Schneider was allowed to speak to his attorney, Jack Zimmerman, in an unmonitored call. This conversation ended at 3:53 p.m.
There were no contacts with individuals inside the compound on March 30, except to arrange for the meetings and telephone conversations with the attorneys.
(The Myth: Koresh didn’t do a thing wrong except not kill all those ATF agents when he had the chance!)
[The Truth: Riiiiiight. Vernon didn’t do a thing wrong. He and Schneider just wanted to meet with their attorneys to arrange sleepovers.
The meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin occurred as scheduled at 10:00 a.m. This meeting lasted until noon. A second meeting took place between 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m.
Additionally, at 3:18 p.m., Steve Schneider was allowed to speak to his attorney, Jack Zimmerman, in an unmonitored call. This conversation ended at 3:53 p.m.
There were no contacts with individuals inside the compound on March 30, except to arrange for the meetings and telephone conversations with the attorneys.
(The Myth: Koresh didn’t do a thing wrong except not kill all those ATF agents when he had the chance!)
[The Truth: Riiiiiight. Vernon didn’t do a thing wrong. He and Schneider just wanted to meet with their attorneys to arrange sleepovers.
Monday, March 29, 2010
Day 30 of the Waco Standoff
March 29, 1993
The proposed face-to-face meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin caused significant controversy within law enforcement. SAC Jamar made the decision to permit the meeting, clearing it with U.S. Attorney Ederer. The AUSAs and the Texas Rangers, who would be responsible for the eventual prosecutions, strongly opposed the meeting. Jamar was focused on resolving the standoff safely, while the prosecutors and the Texas Rangers were focused on the integrity of future court proceedings. The prosecutors and Texas Rangers were afraid that the defense attorney would give advice to Koresh which could result in the destruction of evidence and cause a more difficult prosecution.
The negotiators attempted unsuccessfully to contact Koresh between 3:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. to establish a procedure for the meeting with his attorney. On each call, the negotiators were informed by various individuals that Koresh was unable to come to the telephone. Finally, at 11:28 a.m., Koresh came to the telephone and was told that his attorney was ready for the proposed face-to-face meeting. A dispute arose between Koresh and the FBI over whether the meeting would occur in the compound or in a neutral site, such as the front of the compound. In an attempt to break this impasse, Koresh spoke to his attorney at 12:05 p.m. in an unmonitored telephone call. It was agreed that the attorney would come to the front door of the compound, while Koresh remained just inside the door.
The meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin took place at the front door of the compound between 4:12 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. The FBI debriefed DeGuerin about the meeting; however, no attorney-client information was discussed. DeGuerin described it as a positive meeting. Schneider confirmed this impression in a subsequent telephone conversation with negotiators. Schneider also complained, however, that DeGuerin's fees were too high.
In a conversation with Koresh at 8:54 p.m., another meeting with DeGuerin was scheduled for 10:00 a.m. the next morning.
(The Myth: None of the Davidians was ever given any access to an attorney!)
[The Truth: (Looks at entry for March 29th.) Yeah, riiiiiiiight.]
The proposed face-to-face meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin caused significant controversy within law enforcement. SAC Jamar made the decision to permit the meeting, clearing it with U.S. Attorney Ederer. The AUSAs and the Texas Rangers, who would be responsible for the eventual prosecutions, strongly opposed the meeting. Jamar was focused on resolving the standoff safely, while the prosecutors and the Texas Rangers were focused on the integrity of future court proceedings. The prosecutors and Texas Rangers were afraid that the defense attorney would give advice to Koresh which could result in the destruction of evidence and cause a more difficult prosecution.
The negotiators attempted unsuccessfully to contact Koresh between 3:00 a.m. and 11:00 a.m. to establish a procedure for the meeting with his attorney. On each call, the negotiators were informed by various individuals that Koresh was unable to come to the telephone. Finally, at 11:28 a.m., Koresh came to the telephone and was told that his attorney was ready for the proposed face-to-face meeting. A dispute arose between Koresh and the FBI over whether the meeting would occur in the compound or in a neutral site, such as the front of the compound. In an attempt to break this impasse, Koresh spoke to his attorney at 12:05 p.m. in an unmonitored telephone call. It was agreed that the attorney would come to the front door of the compound, while Koresh remained just inside the door.
The meeting between Koresh and DeGuerin took place at the front door of the compound between 4:12 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. The FBI debriefed DeGuerin about the meeting; however, no attorney-client information was discussed. DeGuerin described it as a positive meeting. Schneider confirmed this impression in a subsequent telephone conversation with negotiators. Schneider also complained, however, that DeGuerin's fees were too high.
In a conversation with Koresh at 8:54 p.m., another meeting with DeGuerin was scheduled for 10:00 a.m. the next morning.
(The Myth: None of the Davidians was ever given any access to an attorney!)
[The Truth: (Looks at entry for March 29th.) Yeah, riiiiiiiight.]
Saturday, March 27, 2010
Day 28 of the Waco Standoff
March 27, 1993
The negotiators called into the compound several times during the early morning hours, but no one answered. Lights, music, and helicopter activity occurred throughout the night.
At 8:50 a.m., a banner was hung outside that read "Tank Broke Phone Lines". A new telephone was delivered, and contact was re-established with Schneider at 12:32 p.m.
The negotiator gave Schneider until 1:45 p.m. to send out at least ten people, or else the FBI would take some additional action. Schneider responded that they were not concerned with FBI actions, and that "you can burn us down, kill us, whatever."
Schneider was contacted at 1:30 p.m. He informed negotiators that no one wanted to come out. The 1:45 p.m. deadline passed. Immediately thereafter, the FBI, with the armored vehicles, began clearing the front side of the compound.
The negotiator contacted Schneider at 6:48 p m. and spoke to him until 7:59 p.m. Schneider stated that Koresh refused to speak to the negotiator and that no one else was coming out that night. During this time period, the negotiators also spoke to the male who had entered the compound the previous night. He gave his name as "Jesse Amen."
The negotiators called Schneider again at 9:34 p.m. During this conversation, as well as overnight, the loudspeakers were broadcasting various sounds such as sirens, squawking birds, and laughter. Schneider proclaimed that he was looking forward to God putting an end to the earth; however, he also stated that there would be no suicide. Schneider also said that no one could be convinced to come out. This call ended at 10:27 p.m. Schneider called back at 10:29 p.m., saying that two people were guarding Jesse Amen and Louis Alaniz. This conversation, with one short interruption, lasted until after midnight. During this conversation, Schneider denied that Koresh was Christ, confirmed that some individuals had been sent out for
drinking, and recommended that the building be set on fire to force everyone out.
The evening ended with no progress. There had been no contact with Koresh for four days.
(The Myth: Another day of the FBI torturing everyone in that compound while planning to burn them alive!)
[The Truth: The FBI bent over bakcwards to try and negotiate with Vernon again to try and get the Davidians out of there but they can't even get him on the horn. All they get is Schneider wanting to preach and lie some more. The only person talking about burning the Davidians alive was Schneider.]
The negotiators called into the compound several times during the early morning hours, but no one answered. Lights, music, and helicopter activity occurred throughout the night.
At 8:50 a.m., a banner was hung outside that read "Tank Broke Phone Lines". A new telephone was delivered, and contact was re-established with Schneider at 12:32 p.m.
The negotiator gave Schneider until 1:45 p.m. to send out at least ten people, or else the FBI would take some additional action. Schneider responded that they were not concerned with FBI actions, and that "you can burn us down, kill us, whatever."
Schneider was contacted at 1:30 p.m. He informed negotiators that no one wanted to come out. The 1:45 p.m. deadline passed. Immediately thereafter, the FBI, with the armored vehicles, began clearing the front side of the compound.
The negotiator contacted Schneider at 6:48 p m. and spoke to him until 7:59 p.m. Schneider stated that Koresh refused to speak to the negotiator and that no one else was coming out that night. During this time period, the negotiators also spoke to the male who had entered the compound the previous night. He gave his name as "Jesse Amen."
The negotiators called Schneider again at 9:34 p.m. During this conversation, as well as overnight, the loudspeakers were broadcasting various sounds such as sirens, squawking birds, and laughter. Schneider proclaimed that he was looking forward to God putting an end to the earth; however, he also stated that there would be no suicide. Schneider also said that no one could be convinced to come out. This call ended at 10:27 p.m. Schneider called back at 10:29 p.m., saying that two people were guarding Jesse Amen and Louis Alaniz. This conversation, with one short interruption, lasted until after midnight. During this conversation, Schneider denied that Koresh was Christ, confirmed that some individuals had been sent out for
drinking, and recommended that the building be set on fire to force everyone out.
The evening ended with no progress. There had been no contact with Koresh for four days.
(The Myth: Another day of the FBI torturing everyone in that compound while planning to burn them alive!)
[The Truth: The FBI bent over bakcwards to try and negotiate with Vernon again to try and get the Davidians out of there but they can't even get him on the horn. All they get is Schneider wanting to preach and lie some more. The only person talking about burning the Davidians alive was Schneider.]
Friday, March 26, 2010
The Teabaggers Are Trying to Put Some Distance Between Themselves and the Violent Racists in Their Midst
But they can't do it because, in truth, that's what they are.
LOL!
Let's face it, most of these teabaggers are sore losers too. They throw bricks through congresspeople's office windows, Call some of them 'niggers' or 'faggots,' send threatening letters via the post office or by e-mail, or spit on congressmen. They just can't stand the fact that they can't count votes and got their asses kicked. TWICE!
Watch us move on to financial reform now. Can't wait for you GOP Cocksuckers to try and vote against that one.
Im looking forward to the midterm elections. I'm just wondering if there will be room on the silver platter we'll be using to hand you your heads in October, since your asses are already on there from 2008.
LMAO!
S. Olson
LOL!
Let's face it, most of these teabaggers are sore losers too. They throw bricks through congresspeople's office windows, Call some of them 'niggers' or 'faggots,' send threatening letters via the post office or by e-mail, or spit on congressmen. They just can't stand the fact that they can't count votes and got their asses kicked. TWICE!
Watch us move on to financial reform now. Can't wait for you GOP Cocksuckers to try and vote against that one.
Im looking forward to the midterm elections. I'm just wondering if there will be room on the silver platter we'll be using to hand you your heads in October, since your asses are already on there from 2008.
LMAO!
S. Olson
After A Parlimentary Hiccup, The House Passed Health Care Reform --- Again!
LMAO!
I love this line on TPM Muckraker today:
"Today, Obama himself practically DARED Republicans to run on the promise of repealing these laws ahead of the 2010 election."
LMAO!
S. Olson
I love this line on TPM Muckraker today:
"Today, Obama himself practically DARED Republicans to run on the promise of repealing these laws ahead of the 2010 election."
LMAO!
S. Olson
Day 27 of the Waco Standoff
March 26, 1993
The FBI attempted all night to get Koresh on the telephone. Schneider and
others claimed first that Koresh was asleep, and later that he had a
headache and was unable to talk.
At 9:40 a.m., Schneider was given a deadline of noon to send out ten or
more individuals. The FBI threatened further action if no one were released.
Once again, the noon deadline passed with no activity. At 12:10 p.m., the
armored vehicles moved back into the compound and removed eight
vehicles.
Conversations continued with Schneider throughout the day to no avail.
Schneider simply complained as usual and began his own preaching about
the Seven Seals. Contact was terminated at 4:58 p.m., after the FBI told him
that no one could come outside the compound unless it was to surrender.
Between 9:00 p.m. and midnight, the negotiators attempted to call the
compound approximately six times, letting it ring at least twenty times on
each call. No one answered.
The perimeter was compromised again on March 26. Sometime between
11:00 p.m. and midnight, an unknown male, who had apparently snuck past
the HRT, entered the compound.
(The Myth: The FBI started to tighten the noose around the Davidians and refused to let any of them out. Meanwhile the 'militia' is coming to the rescue!)
[The Truth: Yeah, it 'tightened' the noose by trying to call the compound and get more hostages out all day. But Vernon had a 'headache' and Schneider just wanted to preach. As for the militia showing up, the only person who showed up was another crackpot; this one calling himself 'Jesse Amen.'
S. Olson
The FBI attempted all night to get Koresh on the telephone. Schneider and
others claimed first that Koresh was asleep, and later that he had a
headache and was unable to talk.
At 9:40 a.m., Schneider was given a deadline of noon to send out ten or
more individuals. The FBI threatened further action if no one were released.
Once again, the noon deadline passed with no activity. At 12:10 p.m., the
armored vehicles moved back into the compound and removed eight
vehicles.
Conversations continued with Schneider throughout the day to no avail.
Schneider simply complained as usual and began his own preaching about
the Seven Seals. Contact was terminated at 4:58 p.m., after the FBI told him
that no one could come outside the compound unless it was to surrender.
Between 9:00 p.m. and midnight, the negotiators attempted to call the
compound approximately six times, letting it ring at least twenty times on
each call. No one answered.
The perimeter was compromised again on March 26. Sometime between
11:00 p.m. and midnight, an unknown male, who had apparently snuck past
the HRT, entered the compound.
(The Myth: The FBI started to tighten the noose around the Davidians and refused to let any of them out. Meanwhile the 'militia' is coming to the rescue!)
[The Truth: Yeah, it 'tightened' the noose by trying to call the compound and get more hostages out all day. But Vernon had a 'headache' and Schneider just wanted to preach. As for the militia showing up, the only person who showed up was another crackpot; this one calling himself 'Jesse Amen.'
S. Olson
Thursday, March 25, 2010
GOP Cocksucker #307 Whines About the Press
The Latest On GOP Cocksucker #307
Sen. John Ensign, FURIOUS that he can't get the news of him being investigated by a grand jury for indulging in what's called a 'quid pro quo' out of the papers, took time to fire at the media for indulging in 'gotcha' journalism for even REPORTING on the case.
At first Ensign tried to stonewall the story by refusing to answer questions about it, when it was just a case of him fucking his best friend's wife on the sly. But the press simply wouldn't let it go, in particular Nevade-based political writer Jon Ralston, who, the more he dug into the story found more and more people willing to talk. And #307 didn't help himself either by refusing to resign and end the thing.
Instead, Ensign thought--still thinks--he can serve out his term and ever get reelected, despite the fact that he admitted to banging Cindy Hampton, the wife of his best friend, Doug Hampton, like a kid slamming a screen door after running out of the house.
Ensign has tried to portray it as a 'mistake in judgement,' which is really not the point, since the Senate Ethics Committee investigating the affair turned it over to the Justice Department after finding troubling instances of what looked like a quid pro quo by credit card companies who may have made campaign contributions to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Ensign chaired at the time, in exchange for good treatment in front of Congress. Several former Ensign aides and several businesses in Nevada were subpeoned a couple of weeks ago. When Ensign was asked AGAIN, if he had been subpeoned, he went on a tirade about the press having the impertence to expect and answer to its question.
Ralston derisively snorted when asked about Ensign's contention that the press was playing 'gotcha' journalism with the case. Ralston asked how the press could be playing 'gotcha' journalism when #307 either ducks questions or refuses to answer the most basic questions about the case, such as why did his parents pay the Hamptons $96,000 after Ensigh had fired them from his staff or why he tried to find Hampton jobs with companies he'd put the arm on to contribute to campaigns.
When #307 appeared on CNN a few months ago to slam President Obama, CNN anchor Rick Sanchez ignored what Ensign was saying and started asking him about the Hampton Affair and why anyone should believe what Ensign said about the President since he wouldn't talk about nailing his best friend's wife. Ensign was visibly startled and hasn't made a TV appearance on CNN since.
With thanks to TPM Muckraker, Politico and Nevada political writer Jon Ralston.
S. Olson
Sen. John Ensign, FURIOUS that he can't get the news of him being investigated by a grand jury for indulging in what's called a 'quid pro quo' out of the papers, took time to fire at the media for indulging in 'gotcha' journalism for even REPORTING on the case.
At first Ensign tried to stonewall the story by refusing to answer questions about it, when it was just a case of him fucking his best friend's wife on the sly. But the press simply wouldn't let it go, in particular Nevade-based political writer Jon Ralston, who, the more he dug into the story found more and more people willing to talk. And #307 didn't help himself either by refusing to resign and end the thing.
Instead, Ensign thought--still thinks--he can serve out his term and ever get reelected, despite the fact that he admitted to banging Cindy Hampton, the wife of his best friend, Doug Hampton, like a kid slamming a screen door after running out of the house.
Ensign has tried to portray it as a 'mistake in judgement,' which is really not the point, since the Senate Ethics Committee investigating the affair turned it over to the Justice Department after finding troubling instances of what looked like a quid pro quo by credit card companies who may have made campaign contributions to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Ensign chaired at the time, in exchange for good treatment in front of Congress. Several former Ensign aides and several businesses in Nevada were subpeoned a couple of weeks ago. When Ensign was asked AGAIN, if he had been subpeoned, he went on a tirade about the press having the impertence to expect and answer to its question.
Ralston derisively snorted when asked about Ensign's contention that the press was playing 'gotcha' journalism with the case. Ralston asked how the press could be playing 'gotcha' journalism when #307 either ducks questions or refuses to answer the most basic questions about the case, such as why did his parents pay the Hamptons $96,000 after Ensigh had fired them from his staff or why he tried to find Hampton jobs with companies he'd put the arm on to contribute to campaigns.
When #307 appeared on CNN a few months ago to slam President Obama, CNN anchor Rick Sanchez ignored what Ensign was saying and started asking him about the Hampton Affair and why anyone should believe what Ensign said about the President since he wouldn't talk about nailing his best friend's wife. Ensign was visibly startled and hasn't made a TV appearance on CNN since.
With thanks to TPM Muckraker, Politico and Nevada political writer Jon Ralston.
S. Olson
Day 26 of the Waco Standoff
March 25, 1993
There were sixteen conversations spanning 5.5 hours on March 25. The negotiators spoke to eight different people.
The parties argued about religion, the criminal justice system, access to the news media, and whether or not anyone was going to come out of the compound.
At 1:13 p.m., the negotiators demanded that ten to twenty people at a minimum come out by 4:00 p.m. Schneider was advised that if this failed to occur, certain actions would be taken by the FBI.
At 4:00 p.m., there was no activity from inside the compound. The armored vehicles moved into the compound and removed a number of -motorcycles and go-carts. Those inside the compound simply watched by holding mirrors in the windows so that they could see outside.
At 6:12 p.m., Schneider claimed that if he could see one or two ATF agents locked up, they all would come out. The negotiators refused to discuss this suggestion.
Conversations continued between Schneider and the negotiators from 5:50 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. Schneider suggested that ten additional people might come out the next day. Schneider even suggested that he might be one of them. The negotiators also spoke to two women, beseeching them to come out with their children. No agreements were reached. Little, if any, progress was made, and the conversations ended at 10:57 p.m.
(The Myth: Koresh was a preacher and not interested in wordly things!)
[The Truth: Worldly things like go-karts? When did any of you EVER go to church and see fuckin’ GO-KARTS parked outside?]
S. Olson
There were sixteen conversations spanning 5.5 hours on March 25. The negotiators spoke to eight different people.
The parties argued about religion, the criminal justice system, access to the news media, and whether or not anyone was going to come out of the compound.
At 1:13 p.m., the negotiators demanded that ten to twenty people at a minimum come out by 4:00 p.m. Schneider was advised that if this failed to occur, certain actions would be taken by the FBI.
At 4:00 p.m., there was no activity from inside the compound. The armored vehicles moved into the compound and removed a number of -motorcycles and go-carts. Those inside the compound simply watched by holding mirrors in the windows so that they could see outside.
At 6:12 p.m., Schneider claimed that if he could see one or two ATF agents locked up, they all would come out. The negotiators refused to discuss this suggestion.
Conversations continued between Schneider and the negotiators from 5:50 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. Schneider suggested that ten additional people might come out the next day. Schneider even suggested that he might be one of them. The negotiators also spoke to two women, beseeching them to come out with their children. No agreements were reached. Little, if any, progress was made, and the conversations ended at 10:57 p.m.
(The Myth: Koresh was a preacher and not interested in wordly things!)
[The Truth: Worldly things like go-karts? When did any of you EVER go to church and see fuckin’ GO-KARTS parked outside?]
S. Olson
Wednesday, March 24, 2010
Day 25 of the Waco Standoff
March 24. 1993
During the pre-dawn hours of March 24, the floodlights were directed at the compound, and Tibetan chants, Christmas music, and tapes of previously recorded negotiations were played over the loudspeakers.
After several attempts, the negotiators reached Steve Schneider at 9:52 a.m. still angry over the loud music, Schneider refused to talk any further that day.
At the 10:30 a.m. daily press briefing, the FBI increased its "verbal assault" against Koresh, calling him a liar and coward, and accusing him of hiding behind his children. The FBI had been using the daily press briefings as an additional method of communicating with Koresh and the others in the compound, knowing that they listened to the briefings carefully.
The negotiators made repeated unsuccessful attempts to contact the compound between 12:30 p.m. and 6:30 p.m.
Throughout the standoff the FBI was concerned about its ability to maintain the security of the perimeter around the compound, to prevent people from entering or leaving. This concern became a reality when, at approximately 6:30 p.m., the FBI observed a shirtless male, later identified as Louis Alaniz, knocking at the compound door. The Davidians allowed him to enter. Alaniz had slipped through the perimeter and eluded the HRT. The negotiators immediately attempted to find out who he was and suggested to Schneider that he be sent back outside.
In a conversation with Schneider and Koresh at 7:14 p.m., Alaniz was heard to be screaming a sermon in the background. Nevertheless, Koresh refused to send him out, preferring instead to teach him the Seven Seals.
Once again, the FBI called the compound numerous times between 7:15 p.m. and 10'30 p.m. No one answered until 10:35 p.m. when the negotiators spoke to both Schneider and Koresh suggesting that they send out the new "intruder" in the interest of everyone's safety. Koresh refused, and the negotiators broke contact.
At 11:37 p.m., the negotiators called the compound and spoke to the "intruder" who identified himself as Louis Anthony Alaniz.
The evening ended with no progress and with one more person now inside the compound.
(The Myth: We would have saved all those people from being killed by the FBI if we could just have broken through their blockade!)
[The Truth: The fact of the matter is that the militia types said to be on the way to rescue Vernon never materialized. They may be good at shooting people in the back or blowing up kids, but they are as useless as a screen door in a submarine when facing men with guns. Besides how good was the blockade, anyway? It let through two crackpots, the first of which was this headcase Alaniz.
During the pre-dawn hours of March 24, the floodlights were directed at the compound, and Tibetan chants, Christmas music, and tapes of previously recorded negotiations were played over the loudspeakers.
After several attempts, the negotiators reached Steve Schneider at 9:52 a.m. still angry over the loud music, Schneider refused to talk any further that day.
At the 10:30 a.m. daily press briefing, the FBI increased its "verbal assault" against Koresh, calling him a liar and coward, and accusing him of hiding behind his children. The FBI had been using the daily press briefings as an additional method of communicating with Koresh and the others in the compound, knowing that they listened to the briefings carefully.
The negotiators made repeated unsuccessful attempts to contact the compound between 12:30 p.m. and 6:30 p.m.
Throughout the standoff the FBI was concerned about its ability to maintain the security of the perimeter around the compound, to prevent people from entering or leaving. This concern became a reality when, at approximately 6:30 p.m., the FBI observed a shirtless male, later identified as Louis Alaniz, knocking at the compound door. The Davidians allowed him to enter. Alaniz had slipped through the perimeter and eluded the HRT. The negotiators immediately attempted to find out who he was and suggested to Schneider that he be sent back outside.
In a conversation with Schneider and Koresh at 7:14 p.m., Alaniz was heard to be screaming a sermon in the background. Nevertheless, Koresh refused to send him out, preferring instead to teach him the Seven Seals.
Once again, the FBI called the compound numerous times between 7:15 p.m. and 10'30 p.m. No one answered until 10:35 p.m. when the negotiators spoke to both Schneider and Koresh suggesting that they send out the new "intruder" in the interest of everyone's safety. Koresh refused, and the negotiators broke contact.
At 11:37 p.m., the negotiators called the compound and spoke to the "intruder" who identified himself as Louis Anthony Alaniz.
The evening ended with no progress and with one more person now inside the compound.
(The Myth: We would have saved all those people from being killed by the FBI if we could just have broken through their blockade!)
[The Truth: The fact of the matter is that the militia types said to be on the way to rescue Vernon never materialized. They may be good at shooting people in the back or blowing up kids, but they are as useless as a screen door in a submarine when facing men with guns. Besides how good was the blockade, anyway? It let through two crackpots, the first of which was this headcase Alaniz.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010
Day 24 of the Waco Standoff
March 23, 1993
At 2:55 a.m., Koresh spoke to the negotiators, rejected the offer, and claimed that he had thrown away SAC Jamar's letter.
The next morning at 8:20 a.m., the letter was read to those inside the compound over the loudspeaker system.
Livingstone Fagan, age 34, came out of the compound at 10:05 a.m., after discussions between the negotiators and Schneider.
Conversations with Schneider continued throughout the day with the focus on attempting to get additional people to leave the compound. However, the negotiators noted at 1:30 p.m. that the conversations with Schneider had become very combative and argumentative.
AUSA William Johnston in Waco wrote a letter directly to Attorney General Janet Reno. In the letter, Johnston complained about the FBI's handling of the crime scene, and about U.S. Attorney Ederer's handling of the situation. The Attorney General directed Mark Richard, a Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Justice Department's Criminal Division, to look into the matter and make recommendations for a solution.
At 4:45 p.m., the FBI was notified that the news media might be bringing in a special parabolic microphone to attempt to hear what was being said over the P.A. system at the compound. In response, the FBI gave orders to all agents to say nothing through the bullhorn or loudspeakers that they didn't want to hear on television or read in the newspaper.
Conversations with Schneider and others continued until 7:56 p.m. with no results.
At 10:00 p.m., the FBI decided to direct exterior floodlights at the compound all night and, instead of music, play tapes of previous negotiations, and messages from those who had exited the compound.
The negotiators called into the compound at 11:34 p.m. asking for Koresh; however, Schneider claimed he was asleep and refused to wake him.
(The Myth: The FBI didn’t want any of them to come out because they planned to kill every single one of them for defying gun laws!)
[The Truth: Actually, the FBI planned to arrest every single one of them for shooting the cops when they came to arrest Vernon but held off because Vernon and the Davidians kept threatening to murder the kids and then commit suicide, which they ended up doing. Gerald Newton of North Pole, Alaska, the TB-ridden Wife-Beater of the North, has been VERY, VERY quiet on this subject.]
S. Olson
At 2:55 a.m., Koresh spoke to the negotiators, rejected the offer, and claimed that he had thrown away SAC Jamar's letter.
The next morning at 8:20 a.m., the letter was read to those inside the compound over the loudspeaker system.
Livingstone Fagan, age 34, came out of the compound at 10:05 a.m., after discussions between the negotiators and Schneider.
Conversations with Schneider continued throughout the day with the focus on attempting to get additional people to leave the compound. However, the negotiators noted at 1:30 p.m. that the conversations with Schneider had become very combative and argumentative.
AUSA William Johnston in Waco wrote a letter directly to Attorney General Janet Reno. In the letter, Johnston complained about the FBI's handling of the crime scene, and about U.S. Attorney Ederer's handling of the situation. The Attorney General directed Mark Richard, a Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Justice Department's Criminal Division, to look into the matter and make recommendations for a solution.
At 4:45 p.m., the FBI was notified that the news media might be bringing in a special parabolic microphone to attempt to hear what was being said over the P.A. system at the compound. In response, the FBI gave orders to all agents to say nothing through the bullhorn or loudspeakers that they didn't want to hear on television or read in the newspaper.
Conversations with Schneider and others continued until 7:56 p.m. with no results.
At 10:00 p.m., the FBI decided to direct exterior floodlights at the compound all night and, instead of music, play tapes of previous negotiations, and messages from those who had exited the compound.
The negotiators called into the compound at 11:34 p.m. asking for Koresh; however, Schneider claimed he was asleep and refused to wake him.
(The Myth: The FBI didn’t want any of them to come out because they planned to kill every single one of them for defying gun laws!)
[The Truth: Actually, the FBI planned to arrest every single one of them for shooting the cops when they came to arrest Vernon but held off because Vernon and the Davidians kept threatening to murder the kids and then commit suicide, which they ended up doing. Gerald Newton of North Pole, Alaska, the TB-ridden Wife-Beater of the North, has been VERY, VERY quiet on this subject.]
S. Olson
Monday, March 22, 2010
When's Rush Limbaugh Leaving?
The Fat Junkie said if the Congress passed health care reform, he'd leave the country. Okay, does he need a ride to the airport?
S. Olson
S. Olson
We Passed Health Care Reform
And there was nothing you could do about it....Except whine and make up stuff. LOL
S. Olson
S. Olson
Day 23 of the Waco Standoff
March 22, 1993
The negotiators called Schneider at 9:03 a.m. Schneider was still angry about the loud music which had included Tibetan chants. The negotiators attempted to calm him by blaming the FBI tactical agents; however, Schneider remained angry, claiming that the loud music had been counterproductive. Contact was terminated at 9:30 a.m.
SAC Jamar called a meeting of the crisis management team to discuss strategy. The negotiators advised him that there was no clear indication that large numbers of those remaining inside would surrender any time soon. The hostage negotiation team observed that Schneider and Koresh had continued to resist all efforts by the negotiators to provide specific names, numbers, or time frames for action. Accordingly, several "stress escalation" measures were discussed. Failing a positive response from the Davidians to these actions, the negotiators recommended the introduction of tear gas as a non-lethal alternative to clear the compound. This was the first time the FBI formally considered tear gas as an option for resolving the standoff. The FBI waited almost another month before actually using tear gas.
Because of technical problems with the telephones and with the loudspeaker system, SSRA Sage went in an armored vehicle to the compound at approximately 5:15 p.m. and spoke to the individuals inside through a bullhorn. Schneider, came a few paces outside of the compound to speak to SSRA Sage, and informed him that Koresh appeared to be getting weaker. The FBI decided to lay groundlines for a field telephone system to facilitate communications.
The field telephone was delivered to the compound at 7:45 p.m., and conversations began again at 8:00 p.m.
At 8:27 p.m., the FBI read a new offer to Schneider and agreed to deliver it in writing. The offer was (1) Koresh could communicate with followers while in jail and could hold religious services, and (2) Koresh could make a worldwide broadcast on CBN. In return, Koresh and all individuals must begin departure by 10:00 a.m. on March 23, with everyone out by noon. Additionally, there would be live media coverage of their exit. A letter confirming this offer by SAC Jeff Jamar was delivered to the compound at 10:00 p.m.
Contact was terminated at 11:46 p.m., with no answer from the compound.
(The Myth: The FBI tortured those people before burning them alive!)
[The Truth: ‘Torture’ to these jackasses is having to listen to loud music and having bright lights shown on the compound to disrupt their sleep. If that’s torture, what would you call ‘concerts’ of Vernon’s music, which the Davidians had to listen to whenever the mood struck Vernon.
The negotiators called Schneider at 9:03 a.m. Schneider was still angry about the loud music which had included Tibetan chants. The negotiators attempted to calm him by blaming the FBI tactical agents; however, Schneider remained angry, claiming that the loud music had been counterproductive. Contact was terminated at 9:30 a.m.
SAC Jamar called a meeting of the crisis management team to discuss strategy. The negotiators advised him that there was no clear indication that large numbers of those remaining inside would surrender any time soon. The hostage negotiation team observed that Schneider and Koresh had continued to resist all efforts by the negotiators to provide specific names, numbers, or time frames for action. Accordingly, several "stress escalation" measures were discussed. Failing a positive response from the Davidians to these actions, the negotiators recommended the introduction of tear gas as a non-lethal alternative to clear the compound. This was the first time the FBI formally considered tear gas as an option for resolving the standoff. The FBI waited almost another month before actually using tear gas.
Because of technical problems with the telephones and with the loudspeaker system, SSRA Sage went in an armored vehicle to the compound at approximately 5:15 p.m. and spoke to the individuals inside through a bullhorn. Schneider, came a few paces outside of the compound to speak to SSRA Sage, and informed him that Koresh appeared to be getting weaker. The FBI decided to lay groundlines for a field telephone system to facilitate communications.
The field telephone was delivered to the compound at 7:45 p.m., and conversations began again at 8:00 p.m.
At 8:27 p.m., the FBI read a new offer to Schneider and agreed to deliver it in writing. The offer was (1) Koresh could communicate with followers while in jail and could hold religious services, and (2) Koresh could make a worldwide broadcast on CBN. In return, Koresh and all individuals must begin departure by 10:00 a.m. on March 23, with everyone out by noon. Additionally, there would be live media coverage of their exit. A letter confirming this offer by SAC Jeff Jamar was delivered to the compound at 10:00 p.m.
Contact was terminated at 11:46 p.m., with no answer from the compound.
(The Myth: The FBI tortured those people before burning them alive!)
[The Truth: ‘Torture’ to these jackasses is having to listen to loud music and having bright lights shown on the compound to disrupt their sleep. If that’s torture, what would you call ‘concerts’ of Vernon’s music, which the Davidians had to listen to whenever the mood struck Vernon.
Sunday, March 21, 2010
Day 22 of the Waco Standoff
March 21,1993
At 12:15 a.m., Victorine Hollingsworth and Annetta Richards exited the compound.
A conversation began with David Koresh at 12:15 a.m. and continued until 3:12 a.m. For most of this time, Koresh simply engaged in rambling religious discussions; however, at 2:13 a.m., he told negotiators that: " I told you that my God says wait. Actually I asked for it."
A short while later, at 2:19 a.m., the negotiator asked Koresh to clarify what he meant:
FBI: Well, what made you ask God whether or not you should wait?
KORESH: Because I didn't want Him to destroy you.
Between 9:37 a.m. and 11:00 a.m., the negotiators worked out the details with Schneider for the exit of two more adults. At 11:00 a.m., Rita Riddle and Gladys Ottman came out. Afterward, Schneider said that more could be coming out shortly. He said that he would have to speak to Koresh.
At 2:15 p.m., Sheila Martin, age 46, James Lawton, age 70, and Ofelia Santoya, age 62, left the compound. A short time after their surrender, SAC Jamar advised the negotiators that the tactical personnel were going to bulldoze obstructions away from one side of the compound. The Davidians were advised of this decision and the reasons why.
At 3:40 p.m., the FBI permitted Sheila Martin to call back into that compound and speak with her husband, Wayne. After informing him that she and their kids, who had been previously released, were doing well, Wayne responded that "[T]ime is short, and God is angry." He then began to preach before hanging up. The negotiators immediately called Wayne back and put his wife and kids back on the line. Shelia, apparently attempting to calm Wayne, stated that upon her coming out "everything went well ... the ride was bumpy." Wayne again cryptically responded by saying "It could be bumpy later too."
For the remainder of the day, the negotiators urged Schneider to send out more people. Schneider claimed that he was unable until he and others conferred with Koresh. However, according to Schneider, Koresh was asleep and could not be disturbed. Additionally, the negotiators passed on several messages to those inside from relatives and friends. The negotiators also received messages from several people in the compound and passed them on to relatives. The general tone of the messages from inside was that "everything is fine and we will see you soon." In the evening hours, the FBI began playing very loud music over the loudspeaker system. Several times during the night, those in the compound asked that it be turned off. Finally, at 11:35 p.m. an angry Schneider relayed a message from an angry Koresh: "Because of the loud music, nobody is coming out."
A short while later, the loudspeaker system malfunctioned. The night ended quietly.
(The Myth: Koresh was just an ordinary preacher in a small church in Texas!)
[The Truth: “I didn’t want him to destroy you.” [rolls eyes] Tell somebody who’ll fall for it, hayseed.
Vernon was a country music star wannabee who, failing in that, came to the conclusion that he could get just as much pussy by convincing the Rubes that he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and boning their wives and kids. And it worked! Vernon had his own little following who were so convinced that he was Jesus that he could indulge his little pedophile soul to his heart’s content.
Vernon wasn’t in a ‘church’ either, he was holed up with his followers in a militarized 70+ acre compound, with its own dorm, a watchtower, hundreds of guns, hundreds of MRE’s, its own water supply and more than a million rounds of ammo.
Vernon wasn’t a champion of gun rights. Hell, outside of getting pissed off that the FBI was touching his beloved Camaro and that he couldn’t preach to anybody outside of his little cult, Vernon was really angry that the FBI was broadcasting music that was better than his at his compound. He actually cranked up his OWN sound system and started playing his junk back to the FBI. Unfortunately, the FBI’s loudspeaker system broke down.]
S. Olson
At 12:15 a.m., Victorine Hollingsworth and Annetta Richards exited the compound.
A conversation began with David Koresh at 12:15 a.m. and continued until 3:12 a.m. For most of this time, Koresh simply engaged in rambling religious discussions; however, at 2:13 a.m., he told negotiators that: " I told you that my God says wait. Actually I asked for it."
A short while later, at 2:19 a.m., the negotiator asked Koresh to clarify what he meant:
FBI: Well, what made you ask God whether or not you should wait?
KORESH: Because I didn't want Him to destroy you.
Between 9:37 a.m. and 11:00 a.m., the negotiators worked out the details with Schneider for the exit of two more adults. At 11:00 a.m., Rita Riddle and Gladys Ottman came out. Afterward, Schneider said that more could be coming out shortly. He said that he would have to speak to Koresh.
At 2:15 p.m., Sheila Martin, age 46, James Lawton, age 70, and Ofelia Santoya, age 62, left the compound. A short time after their surrender, SAC Jamar advised the negotiators that the tactical personnel were going to bulldoze obstructions away from one side of the compound. The Davidians were advised of this decision and the reasons why.
At 3:40 p.m., the FBI permitted Sheila Martin to call back into that compound and speak with her husband, Wayne. After informing him that she and their kids, who had been previously released, were doing well, Wayne responded that "[T]ime is short, and God is angry." He then began to preach before hanging up. The negotiators immediately called Wayne back and put his wife and kids back on the line. Shelia, apparently attempting to calm Wayne, stated that upon her coming out "everything went well ... the ride was bumpy." Wayne again cryptically responded by saying "It could be bumpy later too."
For the remainder of the day, the negotiators urged Schneider to send out more people. Schneider claimed that he was unable until he and others conferred with Koresh. However, according to Schneider, Koresh was asleep and could not be disturbed. Additionally, the negotiators passed on several messages to those inside from relatives and friends. The negotiators also received messages from several people in the compound and passed them on to relatives. The general tone of the messages from inside was that "everything is fine and we will see you soon." In the evening hours, the FBI began playing very loud music over the loudspeaker system. Several times during the night, those in the compound asked that it be turned off. Finally, at 11:35 p.m. an angry Schneider relayed a message from an angry Koresh: "Because of the loud music, nobody is coming out."
A short while later, the loudspeaker system malfunctioned. The night ended quietly.
(The Myth: Koresh was just an ordinary preacher in a small church in Texas!)
[The Truth: “I didn’t want him to destroy you.” [rolls eyes] Tell somebody who’ll fall for it, hayseed.
Vernon was a country music star wannabee who, failing in that, came to the conclusion that he could get just as much pussy by convincing the Rubes that he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and boning their wives and kids. And it worked! Vernon had his own little following who were so convinced that he was Jesus that he could indulge his little pedophile soul to his heart’s content.
Vernon wasn’t in a ‘church’ either, he was holed up with his followers in a militarized 70+ acre compound, with its own dorm, a watchtower, hundreds of guns, hundreds of MRE’s, its own water supply and more than a million rounds of ammo.
Vernon wasn’t a champion of gun rights. Hell, outside of getting pissed off that the FBI was touching his beloved Camaro and that he couldn’t preach to anybody outside of his little cult, Vernon was really angry that the FBI was broadcasting music that was better than his at his compound. He actually cranked up his OWN sound system and started playing his junk back to the FBI. Unfortunately, the FBI’s loudspeaker system broke down.]
S. Olson
Saturday, March 20, 2010
Day 21 of the Waco Standoff
March 20, 1993
In interviews with FBI negotiators during the early morning hours, Brad Branch and Kevin Whitecliff stated that Koresh had a case of scotch whisky in the compound. The negotiators suspected that Branch and Whitecliff were expelled from the compound for drinking Koresh's scotch.
In conversations occurring all morning and lasting into the early afternoon, Schneider confirmed that everyone, or at least a large group, would be coming out soon.
Branch and Whitecliff were held in jail as material witnesses. The FBI permitted them to speak by telephone to Koresh from 6:33 p.m. to 7:27 p.m.
Schneider indicated in conversations between 9:30 p.m. and 11:30 p.m., that two women, Victorine Hollingsworth, age 59, and Annetta Richards, age 63, might come out shortly.
(The Myth: Koresh always kept his word. It was those lying FBI agents who didn’t!)
[The Truth: Oh please. Vernon lied like a chenille rug. It was contagious too. Here we have an example of his Number One, Steven Schneider, lying through his teeth. The first one was about everyone coming out. The second was about Hollinsworth and Richards coming out shortly, when the fact of the matter is, they came out the next day, not ‘shortly.’ This was the first the world knew of Whitecliff and Branch leaving, not because Vernon was so magnanimous, but because he had caught them drinking his stash of scotch.]
In interviews with FBI negotiators during the early morning hours, Brad Branch and Kevin Whitecliff stated that Koresh had a case of scotch whisky in the compound. The negotiators suspected that Branch and Whitecliff were expelled from the compound for drinking Koresh's scotch.
In conversations occurring all morning and lasting into the early afternoon, Schneider confirmed that everyone, or at least a large group, would be coming out soon.
Branch and Whitecliff were held in jail as material witnesses. The FBI permitted them to speak by telephone to Koresh from 6:33 p.m. to 7:27 p.m.
Schneider indicated in conversations between 9:30 p.m. and 11:30 p.m., that two women, Victorine Hollingsworth, age 59, and Annetta Richards, age 63, might come out shortly.
(The Myth: Koresh always kept his word. It was those lying FBI agents who didn’t!)
[The Truth: Oh please. Vernon lied like a chenille rug. It was contagious too. Here we have an example of his Number One, Steven Schneider, lying through his teeth. The first one was about everyone coming out. The second was about Hollinsworth and Richards coming out shortly, when the fact of the matter is, they came out the next day, not ‘shortly.’ This was the first the world knew of Whitecliff and Branch leaving, not because Vernon was so magnanimous, but because he had caught them drinking his stash of scotch.]
Friday, March 19, 2010
The Birther Queen Is Looking At Getting Disbarred
Yes, getting her appeal of a $20,000 fine thrown out may be the LEAST of Orly Taitz's worries right now.
Now the California Bar Association is looking at hurling her ass out of the institution.
The Lost Gabor sister is infamous for using the courts to try and highlight her claim that President Obama does not have a birth certificate, even though it's been on the web for over a year now. According to Gabor, it's not the RIGHT birth certificate, even though the state of Hawai'i has verified that Obama indeed has one and the version online is what they give out to ALL people without a compelling interest in the thing.
Gabor was cited by a Georgia judge who had had it up to here with her bullshit. Gabor appealed the fine and just yesterday the 11th Court of Appeals threw it out. Now, Gabor has the California Bar Association to contend with instead of just begging her batshit-crazy supporters for 20 grand.
With thanks to TPM muckraker
S. Olson
Now the California Bar Association is looking at hurling her ass out of the institution.
The Lost Gabor sister is infamous for using the courts to try and highlight her claim that President Obama does not have a birth certificate, even though it's been on the web for over a year now. According to Gabor, it's not the RIGHT birth certificate, even though the state of Hawai'i has verified that Obama indeed has one and the version online is what they give out to ALL people without a compelling interest in the thing.
Gabor was cited by a Georgia judge who had had it up to here with her bullshit. Gabor appealed the fine and just yesterday the 11th Court of Appeals threw it out. Now, Gabor has the California Bar Association to contend with instead of just begging her batshit-crazy supporters for 20 grand.
With thanks to TPM muckraker
S. Olson
Wow. #307 Could Be in Some Really Deep Shit
Senator John Ensign has been trying to bury the fact that he fucked his best friends wife for months now. How come that is?
Well, possibly because he wanted to keep people from asking questions about him giving quid pro quos to companies like Selling Source and Pay Card USA. Ensign reportedly told them the way for them to avoid regulation was to contribute to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Ensign was the chairman of at the time.
But now those companies were subpeonaed, and Ensign probably has a big lump in his throat about now.
Also:
• Sig Rogich, an influential Nevada Republican political consultant and fundraiser, has received a subpoena from the Senate Ethics Committee.
• Pete Ernaut, a Nevada "public relations guru," has been asked by the committee for information.
• John Lopez, Ensign's former chief of staff, also has been subpoenaed, though it's not clear whether this is by the Ethics committee or the Justice Department.
Ooooooooo. This could be Baaaaad for #307 and could turn a mere fucking of his best friend's wife into something a LOT more serious.
When GOP Cocksucker #342 (SEN. MITCH MCCONELL) the minority leader of the Republican Party was asked if he still supported #308, there was no answer.
At least Allegheny Air, the airline that employed the cuckolded husband and his kid, is not talking about whether it has received a subpeona or not.
Well, it's just a matter of time.
What did I tell you? The longer this jackass refuses to quit, the longer we get to beat him and the entire Republican Party over the head with it. just as we did with GOP Cocksucker #315 (ALBERTO GONZALEZ)
LOL
With complements to TPM Muckraker, Politico and LasVegasNow.com
Well, possibly because he wanted to keep people from asking questions about him giving quid pro quos to companies like Selling Source and Pay Card USA. Ensign reportedly told them the way for them to avoid regulation was to contribute to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Ensign was the chairman of at the time.
But now those companies were subpeonaed, and Ensign probably has a big lump in his throat about now.
Also:
• Sig Rogich, an influential Nevada Republican political consultant and fundraiser, has received a subpoena from the Senate Ethics Committee.
• Pete Ernaut, a Nevada "public relations guru," has been asked by the committee for information.
• John Lopez, Ensign's former chief of staff, also has been subpoenaed, though it's not clear whether this is by the Ethics committee or the Justice Department.
Ooooooooo. This could be Baaaaad for #307 and could turn a mere fucking of his best friend's wife into something a LOT more serious.
When GOP Cocksucker #342 (SEN. MITCH MCCONELL) the minority leader of the Republican Party was asked if he still supported #308, there was no answer.
At least Allegheny Air, the airline that employed the cuckolded husband and his kid, is not talking about whether it has received a subpeona or not.
Well, it's just a matter of time.
What did I tell you? The longer this jackass refuses to quit, the longer we get to beat him and the entire Republican Party over the head with it. just as we did with GOP Cocksucker #315 (ALBERTO GONZALEZ)
LOL
With complements to TPM Muckraker, Politico and LasVegasNow.com
Day 20 of the Waco Standoff
March 19, 1993
In a conversation with negotiators at 8:30 a.m., Koresh once again stressed that they were not going to commit suicide and that more time was needed for them to come out.
At 9:45 a.m., the FBI delivered a package of documents to the compound which contained letters from attorneys for Koresh, Schneider, and two others, copies of legal documents concerning the ATF warrants, a statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office guaranteeing it would not seek forfeiture of the compound, an audio tape prepared by a theologian, a letter from the Christian Broadcasting Network, and several magazine articles. This delivery was the culmination of numerous hours of discussions between Schneider and the negotiators, and it was an attempt to address some of their concerns.
At 11:10 a.m., SSRA Sage broadcasted over the loudspeakers that the package of documents had been dropped off. He also replayed the March 17 tape of his conversation with Koresh.
At 11:18 a.m., Schneider called the negotiators and stated that the package of documents would have a positive effect. In a conversation with SSRA Sage at 1:55 p.m., Schneider stated that some people would come out as early as the next day.
In a conversation lasting from 1:59 p.m. to 2:44 p.m., Koresh told negotiators that some people were going to come out, and that eventually everyone would. Koresh also discussed the "guitar nebula" and how he had predicted its presence in the universe. Koresh professed to be astounded by the "guitar nebula" and attempted to relate it to his preachings. Koresh also stated that he was ready to come out and face whatever might happen to him. In referring to the possibility that he might face the death penalty, Koresh even joked: "when they give me the lethal injection, give me the cheap stuff, huh?"
At 7:15 p.m., Brad Branch and Kevin Whitecliff exited the compound. These two men were the only individuals to exit, along with Rita Riddle who exited on the next day [material redacted as required by statute].
At 8:03 p.m., Schneider called the negotiators to discuss the two men who had just come out. In this conversation, Schneider relayed a message from Koresh that his sign, the "guitar nebula," was coming faster through space now.
Conversations continued with Schneider and Koresh until after midnight. There was much preaching by Koresh; however, he did state that he and the others were not going to stay inside much longer.
(The Myth: Everyone would have come out if the FBI had just waited.)
[The Truth: Oh Christ. It DID wait. For almost two months the FBI talked to Vernon or his Number One, Steven Schneider, putting up with wacky bullshit like what 'the Guitar Nebula' meant. Why? Because they were trying to get those people to come out like several of their brethren had previously. Vernon just wanted to use the Davidians as hostages to preach his version of the Gospel in which he was Jesus Christ and that he could fuck everyone’s wife as much as he wanted.
Today marked Vernon’s return to lying to the FBI. I think this is for the sixth time.
This also marks the day Branch and Whitecliff were thrown out of the compound. Why? Because Vernon caught them drinking his scotch. Remember the core of Vernon’s Christianity: ‘All for me, none for you.’]
S. Olson
In a conversation with negotiators at 8:30 a.m., Koresh once again stressed that they were not going to commit suicide and that more time was needed for them to come out.
At 9:45 a.m., the FBI delivered a package of documents to the compound which contained letters from attorneys for Koresh, Schneider, and two others, copies of legal documents concerning the ATF warrants, a statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office guaranteeing it would not seek forfeiture of the compound, an audio tape prepared by a theologian, a letter from the Christian Broadcasting Network, and several magazine articles. This delivery was the culmination of numerous hours of discussions between Schneider and the negotiators, and it was an attempt to address some of their concerns.
At 11:10 a.m., SSRA Sage broadcasted over the loudspeakers that the package of documents had been dropped off. He also replayed the March 17 tape of his conversation with Koresh.
At 11:18 a.m., Schneider called the negotiators and stated that the package of documents would have a positive effect. In a conversation with SSRA Sage at 1:55 p.m., Schneider stated that some people would come out as early as the next day.
In a conversation lasting from 1:59 p.m. to 2:44 p.m., Koresh told negotiators that some people were going to come out, and that eventually everyone would. Koresh also discussed the "guitar nebula" and how he had predicted its presence in the universe. Koresh professed to be astounded by the "guitar nebula" and attempted to relate it to his preachings. Koresh also stated that he was ready to come out and face whatever might happen to him. In referring to the possibility that he might face the death penalty, Koresh even joked: "when they give me the lethal injection, give me the cheap stuff, huh?"
At 7:15 p.m., Brad Branch and Kevin Whitecliff exited the compound. These two men were the only individuals to exit, along with Rita Riddle who exited on the next day [material redacted as required by statute].
At 8:03 p.m., Schneider called the negotiators to discuss the two men who had just come out. In this conversation, Schneider relayed a message from Koresh that his sign, the "guitar nebula," was coming faster through space now.
Conversations continued with Schneider and Koresh until after midnight. There was much preaching by Koresh; however, he did state that he and the others were not going to stay inside much longer.
(The Myth: Everyone would have come out if the FBI had just waited.)
[The Truth: Oh Christ. It DID wait. For almost two months the FBI talked to Vernon or his Number One, Steven Schneider, putting up with wacky bullshit like what 'the Guitar Nebula' meant. Why? Because they were trying to get those people to come out like several of their brethren had previously. Vernon just wanted to use the Davidians as hostages to preach his version of the Gospel in which he was Jesus Christ and that he could fuck everyone’s wife as much as he wanted.
Today marked Vernon’s return to lying to the FBI. I think this is for the sixth time.
This also marks the day Branch and Whitecliff were thrown out of the compound. Why? Because Vernon caught them drinking his scotch. Remember the core of Vernon’s Christianity: ‘All for me, none for you.’]
S. Olson
Thursday, March 18, 2010
The Latest on GOP Cocksucker #308
Man, it just keeps coming.
That's what Gov. Mark Sanford is scared of.
We took $74,000 away from Sanford today, as he tried to put ethics charges that he went down to Buenos Aires for some sexytime with his Argentinian mistress on the taxpayers' dime behind him.
We also took almost $3,000 away from him that will be put into his campaign account to replace what he took out for personal use.
Here's what some of the money we forced Sanford to pay will go to:
"Under the agreement, Sanford also agrees to compensate the Ethics Commission nearly $36,498 for its investigative costs. He also agrees to pay back:
• $18,000 to the state Departments of Commerce for first- and business-class airfare;
• $7,792 to the Division of Aeronautics and $1,003 for personal use of state-owned aircraft."
That should take care of the civil problems, but what REALLY has Sanford scared is that there are still some CRIMINAL charges out there waiting for him. Like all GOP Cocksuckers, Sanford values his own ass more than he does money.
With thanks to the Associated Press
That's what Gov. Mark Sanford is scared of.
We took $74,000 away from Sanford today, as he tried to put ethics charges that he went down to Buenos Aires for some sexytime with his Argentinian mistress on the taxpayers' dime behind him.
We also took almost $3,000 away from him that will be put into his campaign account to replace what he took out for personal use.
Here's what some of the money we forced Sanford to pay will go to:
"Under the agreement, Sanford also agrees to compensate the Ethics Commission nearly $36,498 for its investigative costs. He also agrees to pay back:
• $18,000 to the state Departments of Commerce for first- and business-class airfare;
• $7,792 to the Division of Aeronautics and $1,003 for personal use of state-owned aircraft."
That should take care of the civil problems, but what REALLY has Sanford scared is that there are still some CRIMINAL charges out there waiting for him. Like all GOP Cocksuckers, Sanford values his own ass more than he does money.
With thanks to the Associated Press
Even More on GOP Cocksucker #307
GOP apologists think the grand jury investigation into GOP Cocksucker #307 (SEN. JOHN ENSIGN) is all political. That we just want his job. They are mistaken. We want his job AND his ass. Failing that, we get to beat the GOP in the head with him every single day he stubbornly refuses to quit, just like we did with GOP Cocksucker #315 (ALBERTO GONZALEZ) (That was an unbelievable amount of fun. That dumb fuck managed to stretch out a scandal that would have been over with in two weeks, to encompass the entire SUMMER. You would not BELIEVE how many arguments that the Republicans are rotten to the core I won by not saying anything and just holding up my copy of his fucking PICTURE!)
(It was a copy of a tactic used in Minnesota in the 80s by an old dude who argued that all TV preachers were crooked. When people objected that their favorite Video Vicar was clean, the guy would silently hold up a picture of GOP Cocksucker #72 [JIM BAKKER]. In both cases, the derisive laughter was choice.)
Anyway back to #307. The Justice Department served subpeonas to six businesses in Las Vegas yesterday, demanding "all available information on contacts between the businesses and Ensign, his top staffers, or [Doug] Hampton."
Hampton is the former best friend of Ensign. It was Hampton's back that his wife was boning Ensign behind.
Now the Justice Department is investigating if Ensign broke lobbying rules when he helped to set up Hampton, his former aide, as a lobbyist. This is not just an instance of failing to dot the 'i's or cross the 't's, either, these are possible criminal violations.
With thanks to TPM Muckraker and LasVegasNow.com
S. Olson
(It was a copy of a tactic used in Minnesota in the 80s by an old dude who argued that all TV preachers were crooked. When people objected that their favorite Video Vicar was clean, the guy would silently hold up a picture of GOP Cocksucker #72 [JIM BAKKER]. In both cases, the derisive laughter was choice.)
Anyway back to #307. The Justice Department served subpeonas to six businesses in Las Vegas yesterday, demanding "all available information on contacts between the businesses and Ensign, his top staffers, or [Doug] Hampton."
Hampton is the former best friend of Ensign. It was Hampton's back that his wife was boning Ensign behind.
Now the Justice Department is investigating if Ensign broke lobbying rules when he helped to set up Hampton, his former aide, as a lobbyist. This is not just an instance of failing to dot the 'i's or cross the 't's, either, these are possible criminal violations.
With thanks to TPM Muckraker and LasVegasNow.com
S. Olson
Day 19 of the Waco Standoff
March 18, 1993
Numerous conversations occurred between the negotiators and Schneider between 6:30 a.m. and 12:55 p.m. During these conversations, Schneider made it very clear that no individuals would be coming out and that there was nothing that the FBI could offer in exchange which would have any effect.
At 1:34 p:m., SSRA Sage began to speak to those inside the compound over the loudspeaker system in an attempt to communicate directly with everyone, and to urge everyone to come out. Sage told them that they would be treated fairly, that they were free to come out, and that transportation and medical care were available. SSRA Sage broadcasted again at 5:00 p.m. Sage also played a tape over the loudspeaker of his March 17 confrontational conversation with Koresh.
At 6:21 p.m., after Schneider was warned in advance by negotiators, the HRT used the armored vehicles to remove the compound's diesel and gasoline storage tanks.
No progress was made during the remainder of the evening.
(The Myth: The FBI wouldn’t talk to them!)
[The Truth: Yeah. Suuuuuuuure they wouldn’t. Take a look at today’s entry. Geez. What a bunch of whiners.]
S. Olson
Numerous conversations occurred between the negotiators and Schneider between 6:30 a.m. and 12:55 p.m. During these conversations, Schneider made it very clear that no individuals would be coming out and that there was nothing that the FBI could offer in exchange which would have any effect.
At 1:34 p:m., SSRA Sage began to speak to those inside the compound over the loudspeaker system in an attempt to communicate directly with everyone, and to urge everyone to come out. Sage told them that they would be treated fairly, that they were free to come out, and that transportation and medical care were available. SSRA Sage broadcasted again at 5:00 p.m. Sage also played a tape over the loudspeaker of his March 17 confrontational conversation with Koresh.
At 6:21 p.m., after Schneider was warned in advance by negotiators, the HRT used the armored vehicles to remove the compound's diesel and gasoline storage tanks.
No progress was made during the remainder of the evening.
(The Myth: The FBI wouldn’t talk to them!)
[The Truth: Yeah. Suuuuuuuure they wouldn’t. Take a look at today’s entry. Geez. What a bunch of whiners.]
S. Olson
Wednesday, March 17, 2010
Day 18 of the Waco Standoff
March 17, 1993
The negotiators contacted Steve Schneider at 10:15 a.m., and once again urged a face-to-face meeting. Schneider refused and only wanted to discuss the Bible and his anger with ATF.
The negotiators decided at 1:20 p.m. to broadcast audiotapes over the public address system, which the FBI had set up outside the compound. The audiotapes were of those who had exited the compound, and contained positive comments about their treatment by law enforcement.
At 1:37 p.m., SSRA Sage, one of the FBI's principal negotiators, called Koresh and firmly urged him to surrender. In a conversation lasting until 2:39 p.m., Sage urged some type of positive action on Koresh's part and challenged his sincerity. Koresh refused totally to take any action and generally avoided discussing any specifics of a peaceful resolution.
In a conversation with Schneider at 4:16 p.m., SSRA Sage took the same approach that he had previously taken with Koresh. Sage told Schneider that his (Sagels) statements to Koresh had "fallen on deaf ears" and that progress had to be made. Schneider was repeatedly urged to take responsibility for getting some people to leave. Schneider claimed, however, that no one wanted to come out. All preferred to wait. The conversation ended at 4:49 p.m. with no progress.
The audiotapes from relatives were broadcast once again over the loudspeakers at the end of this conversation with Schneider.
Between 9:10 p.m. and 11:10 p.m., negotiators spoke with seven individuals inside urging them to take some positive action; however, there were no agreements and no progress.
(The Myth: The FBI wouldn’t let any of those people out of their church!)
[The Truth: This is the constant refrain from the Goofy Bastards. While negotiating with Vernon today, the FBI constantly tried to talk to him about letting the Davidians out of the place. Vernon said ‘no.’ All he wanted to talk about was his weird view of the Bible.
S. Olson
The negotiators contacted Steve Schneider at 10:15 a.m., and once again urged a face-to-face meeting. Schneider refused and only wanted to discuss the Bible and his anger with ATF.
The negotiators decided at 1:20 p.m. to broadcast audiotapes over the public address system, which the FBI had set up outside the compound. The audiotapes were of those who had exited the compound, and contained positive comments about their treatment by law enforcement.
At 1:37 p.m., SSRA Sage, one of the FBI's principal negotiators, called Koresh and firmly urged him to surrender. In a conversation lasting until 2:39 p.m., Sage urged some type of positive action on Koresh's part and challenged his sincerity. Koresh refused totally to take any action and generally avoided discussing any specifics of a peaceful resolution.
In a conversation with Schneider at 4:16 p.m., SSRA Sage took the same approach that he had previously taken with Koresh. Sage told Schneider that his (Sagels) statements to Koresh had "fallen on deaf ears" and that progress had to be made. Schneider was repeatedly urged to take responsibility for getting some people to leave. Schneider claimed, however, that no one wanted to come out. All preferred to wait. The conversation ended at 4:49 p.m. with no progress.
The audiotapes from relatives were broadcast once again over the loudspeakers at the end of this conversation with Schneider.
Between 9:10 p.m. and 11:10 p.m., negotiators spoke with seven individuals inside urging them to take some positive action; however, there were no agreements and no progress.
(The Myth: The FBI wouldn’t let any of those people out of their church!)
[The Truth: This is the constant refrain from the Goofy Bastards. While negotiating with Vernon today, the FBI constantly tried to talk to him about letting the Davidians out of the place. Vernon said ‘no.’ All he wanted to talk about was his weird view of the Bible.
S. Olson
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
The Birther Queen Takes it Right on the Chin--Again
This one should have Festus absolutely black with rage.
The lost Gabor sister who has been trying to convince the rest of us that President Obama was actually born in a foreign country, had her appeal of a $20,000 fine imposed on her by a Georgia judge thrown out today, March 16, 2010.
Back in December 2009, the U.S. Attorney would wait until the appeal was sentenced before collecting the money. Now the 11th Court of Appeals has settled it. And how the settled it was - "you lose."
S. Olson
The lost Gabor sister who has been trying to convince the rest of us that President Obama was actually born in a foreign country, had her appeal of a $20,000 fine imposed on her by a Georgia judge thrown out today, March 16, 2010.
Back in December 2009, the U.S. Attorney would wait until the appeal was sentenced before collecting the money. Now the 11th Court of Appeals has settled it. And how the settled it was - "you lose."
S. Olson
The Latest on GOP Cocksucker #289
Rep. Don Young has the rest of the republicans furious at him because he won't go along with their no-pork stance. House republicans have announced a one-year moratorium on earmarks as part of their effort to seem more restrained when it comes to spending that those evil democrats are.
But trust Young to gum up the works. He issued a statement saying that as long as his constituents requested federal money for projects they were interested in, he was going to do his damnedest to get it for them.
Right now, #289 is being investigated to see if he took bribes from the former oil company VECO just as GOP Cocksuckers #167-#170 did.
S. Olson
But trust Young to gum up the works. He issued a statement saying that as long as his constituents requested federal money for projects they were interested in, he was going to do his damnedest to get it for them.
Right now, #289 is being investigated to see if he took bribes from the former oil company VECO just as GOP Cocksuckers #167-#170 did.
S. Olson
Day 17 of the Waco Standoff
March 16, 1993
On March 16, there were only 46 minutes of conversations between the FBI and those in the compound. In what were basically general conversations, the negotiators requested a second face-to-face meeting with Schneider, but -- apparently under the negative influence of Koresh -- he refused.
At 4:41 p.m., the FBI dropped off five audiotapes from relatives of those inside the compound. These audiotapes were prepared in coordination with the negotiators, were positive and upbeat in tone, and urged the family members inside to surrender peacefully.
Nothing further of substance happened that evening.
(The Myth: The FBI wouldn’t let the Davidians talk to anybody!)
[The Truth: It was VERNON who wouldn’t let the Davidians talk to anybody. Negotiators would make all kinds of proposals for the Davidians to speak to people, for them to come out of the compound, all to no avail.]
S. Olson
On March 16, there were only 46 minutes of conversations between the FBI and those in the compound. In what were basically general conversations, the negotiators requested a second face-to-face meeting with Schneider, but -- apparently under the negative influence of Koresh -- he refused.
At 4:41 p.m., the FBI dropped off five audiotapes from relatives of those inside the compound. These audiotapes were prepared in coordination with the negotiators, were positive and upbeat in tone, and urged the family members inside to surrender peacefully.
Nothing further of substance happened that evening.
(The Myth: The FBI wouldn’t let the Davidians talk to anybody!)
[The Truth: It was VERNON who wouldn’t let the Davidians talk to anybody. Negotiators would make all kinds of proposals for the Davidians to speak to people, for them to come out of the compound, all to no avail.]
S. Olson
Monday, March 15, 2010
More on GOP Cocksucker #307
Despite the fact that he claims lots of people want him to run for re-election, not a lot of people in the Senate want to be seen in a photo op with GOP Cocksucker #307 (SEN. JOHN ENSIGN)
That probably has lots to do with the fact that Sen. Ensign is the subject an investigation by the justice department to see if he violated campaign finance laws and lobbying rules when he had his parents pay off his best pal, Doug Hampton, to the tune of $96,000 after canning him from his campaign. At the time, #308 was banging Hampton's wife like a big bass drum. (What was really weird is that he even involved GOP Cocksucker #311 (SEN TOM COBURN) of Oklahoma in the entire thing.)
Until that came out, the Nevada republican was seen as a possible candidate for the Oval Office. Now he's a pariah, sort of like GOP Cocksucker #331, (SEN. DAVID VITTER) the Louisianan whose colleagues and constituetnts can't get past the fact that when he got embroiled in the DC Madam scandal it came out that he wanted to be dressed up in diapers and changed; or GOP Cocksucker #190 (SEN. LARRY 'WIDE STANCE' CRAIG) who brokered a deal with the GOP to quit congress and then reneged.
When #307 appeared on a CNN news show with Rick Sanchez and tried to list GOP Talking Points against the president, he was visibly stunned when all Sanchez wanted to talk about was the Hampton Affair. Fuck the Talking Points. #307 kept trying to say the Hampton Affair was old news but Sanchez kept insisting that since Ensign never said boo about the matter, it WASN'T 'old news.' Ensign just WISHED it was.
Neither #307 or #331 are quitting their seats, despite the fact that their colleagues and constituents wish they would. Ensign is taking solace from GOP Cocksucker #291 (GOV. JIM GIBBONS - NEV). Even though dogged by numerous extramarital affairs, #291 is making a credible re-election bid, to the absolute delight of democrats, who hope like hell he gets the nomination.
That probably has lots to do with the fact that Sen. Ensign is the subject an investigation by the justice department to see if he violated campaign finance laws and lobbying rules when he had his parents pay off his best pal, Doug Hampton, to the tune of $96,000 after canning him from his campaign. At the time, #308 was banging Hampton's wife like a big bass drum. (What was really weird is that he even involved GOP Cocksucker #311 (SEN TOM COBURN) of Oklahoma in the entire thing.)
Until that came out, the Nevada republican was seen as a possible candidate for the Oval Office. Now he's a pariah, sort of like GOP Cocksucker #331, (SEN. DAVID VITTER) the Louisianan whose colleagues and constituetnts can't get past the fact that when he got embroiled in the DC Madam scandal it came out that he wanted to be dressed up in diapers and changed; or GOP Cocksucker #190 (SEN. LARRY 'WIDE STANCE' CRAIG) who brokered a deal with the GOP to quit congress and then reneged.
When #307 appeared on a CNN news show with Rick Sanchez and tried to list GOP Talking Points against the president, he was visibly stunned when all Sanchez wanted to talk about was the Hampton Affair. Fuck the Talking Points. #307 kept trying to say the Hampton Affair was old news but Sanchez kept insisting that since Ensign never said boo about the matter, it WASN'T 'old news.' Ensign just WISHED it was.
Neither #307 or #331 are quitting their seats, despite the fact that their colleagues and constituents wish they would. Ensign is taking solace from GOP Cocksucker #291 (GOV. JIM GIBBONS - NEV). Even though dogged by numerous extramarital affairs, #291 is making a credible re-election bid, to the absolute delight of democrats, who hope like hell he gets the nomination.
Day 16 of the Waco Standoff
March 15, 1993
There was no contact with the compound during the pre-dawn hours of March 15. Bright lights remained focused on the compound; however, no other actions were taken by the FBI.
The FBI established a modified negotiation strategy, in which the negotiators would be firm, would continue to insist on a peaceful resolution, but would refuse to listen to any more of what they called "Bible babble".
[Material redacted as required by statute.] Meanwhile, at 2:05 p.m., the negotiators called into the compound and suggested that Schneider come out of the compound and meet them face-to-face.
Between 4:23 p.m. and 5:28 p.m., Schneider and Wayne Martin came out of the compound and met with SSRA Byron Sage and McLennan County Sheriff Jack Harwell. In what the negotiators termed a "cordial and positive" meeting, the two sides agreed that negotiations would continue. Schneider also told negotiators that God had told Koresh to stay but that the others could leave any time they wanted. SSRA Sage and Sheriff Harwell were also able to defuse many issues of concern, such as the Davidians' right to counsel, the availability of medical attention, and the preservation of the crime scene.
[Material redacted as required by statute.]
(The Myth: The FBI ‘tortured’ those people before burning them alive!)
[The Truth: Maybe you think shutting off the power and shining bright lights on the compound so the Davdians couldn’t sleep is ‘torture,’ which is pretty weird since lots of the Goofy Bastards with Guns and Bibles thought Waterboarding wasn’t. It was more, ‘get out of that compound and stop hiding behind the women and children.’ What was Vernon’s main issue of concern? That he couldn’t preach via the news media.
S. Olson
There was no contact with the compound during the pre-dawn hours of March 15. Bright lights remained focused on the compound; however, no other actions were taken by the FBI.
The FBI established a modified negotiation strategy, in which the negotiators would be firm, would continue to insist on a peaceful resolution, but would refuse to listen to any more of what they called "Bible babble".
[Material redacted as required by statute.] Meanwhile, at 2:05 p.m., the negotiators called into the compound and suggested that Schneider come out of the compound and meet them face-to-face.
Between 4:23 p.m. and 5:28 p.m., Schneider and Wayne Martin came out of the compound and met with SSRA Byron Sage and McLennan County Sheriff Jack Harwell. In what the negotiators termed a "cordial and positive" meeting, the two sides agreed that negotiations would continue. Schneider also told negotiators that God had told Koresh to stay but that the others could leave any time they wanted. SSRA Sage and Sheriff Harwell were also able to defuse many issues of concern, such as the Davidians' right to counsel, the availability of medical attention, and the preservation of the crime scene.
[Material redacted as required by statute.]
(The Myth: The FBI ‘tortured’ those people before burning them alive!)
[The Truth: Maybe you think shutting off the power and shining bright lights on the compound so the Davdians couldn’t sleep is ‘torture,’ which is pretty weird since lots of the Goofy Bastards with Guns and Bibles thought Waterboarding wasn’t. It was more, ‘get out of that compound and stop hiding behind the women and children.’ What was Vernon’s main issue of concern? That he couldn’t preach via the news media.
S. Olson
Sunday, March 14, 2010
Day 15 of the Waco Standoff
March 14, 1993
Since the previous evening, the FBI had decided not to call into the compound. Instead, the negotiators decided to await a call from the inside. Nevertheless, at'12:34 p.m., Oliver Gyarfas was allowed to call into the compound to tell Koresh and others that he was being treated fairly by authorities. At 1:03 p.m., Kathy Schroeder called into the compound with a similar message. Both Koresh and Schneider expressed anger at her for not being a "spokesperson" for them.
The last conversation with Schneider ended at 4:19 p.m. The negotiators, according to plan, did not call the compound for the remainder of the evening, nor did anyone inside call out,
At nightfall, the FBI began to illuminate the compound with bright lights to disrupt sleep, to put additional pressure on those inside, and to increase the safety of the HRT.
(The Myth: The FBI didn’t allow the Davidians to preach their message because they are biased against Christians.)
[The Truth: Limiting the communications of hostage-takers is a standard tactic in law enforcement. Besides, why should a pedophile, liar and murderer be allowed to talk to anybody they want? This was an example of the FBI doing the right thing; surrounding the compound but not assaulting it or letting them talk to anyone but them. Been two weeks now.]
S. Olson
Since the previous evening, the FBI had decided not to call into the compound. Instead, the negotiators decided to await a call from the inside. Nevertheless, at'12:34 p.m., Oliver Gyarfas was allowed to call into the compound to tell Koresh and others that he was being treated fairly by authorities. At 1:03 p.m., Kathy Schroeder called into the compound with a similar message. Both Koresh and Schneider expressed anger at her for not being a "spokesperson" for them.
The last conversation with Schneider ended at 4:19 p.m. The negotiators, according to plan, did not call the compound for the remainder of the evening, nor did anyone inside call out,
At nightfall, the FBI began to illuminate the compound with bright lights to disrupt sleep, to put additional pressure on those inside, and to increase the safety of the HRT.
(The Myth: The FBI didn’t allow the Davidians to preach their message because they are biased against Christians.)
[The Truth: Limiting the communications of hostage-takers is a standard tactic in law enforcement. Besides, why should a pedophile, liar and murderer be allowed to talk to anybody they want? This was an example of the FBI doing the right thing; surrounding the compound but not assaulting it or letting them talk to anyone but them. Been two weeks now.]
S. Olson
Saturday, March 13, 2010
Day 14 of the Waco Standoff
March 13, 1993
Between midnight and 8:30 a.m., the negotiators had two conversations with Steve Schneider. Schneider, still very angry about the electricity having been turned off, stated that three people had been prepared to come out; however, he did not think that would happen now. Schneider also complained that the people were cold and freezing inside the compound. The negotiators placed the blame on "their bosses" and urged Schneider to continue to work with them. In a conversation at 8:55 a.m., Schneider once again claimed that the government wanted to kill all of them and burn down the building.
At 11:35 a.m., the FBI negotiation team discussed the fact that letters had been sent from two attorneys claiming to represent Koresh and Schneider. These attorneys were Richard DeGuerin and Jack Zimmerman. It was decided not to allow the attorneys to speak to Koresh and Schneider at that time, since neither of them had requested an attorney. Nevertheless at 12:44 p.m., the negotiators advised Schneider that his sister had retained an attorney for him.
At 1:24 p.m., the negotiators offered to allow Judy Schneider to come out, receive medical care for her wounds, then return to the compound. In return, the FBI asked for the exit of three individuals. This offer was rejected at 2:30 p.m.
[Material redacted as required by statute.]
(The Myth: The Davidians didn’t get any lawyers!)
[The Truth: Sure they did. This myth comes from early in the standoff when the FBI refused to let attorneys for Vernon and the Davidians confer with their clients in the compound. The reasons were twofold: 1. the Davidians and Vernon had not asked for them; 2. there was already a lawyer among the Davidians. Once again, it is the DAVIDIANS that claim the government will kill them all and set fire to the place.]
S. Olson
Between midnight and 8:30 a.m., the negotiators had two conversations with Steve Schneider. Schneider, still very angry about the electricity having been turned off, stated that three people had been prepared to come out; however, he did not think that would happen now. Schneider also complained that the people were cold and freezing inside the compound. The negotiators placed the blame on "their bosses" and urged Schneider to continue to work with them. In a conversation at 8:55 a.m., Schneider once again claimed that the government wanted to kill all of them and burn down the building.
At 11:35 a.m., the FBI negotiation team discussed the fact that letters had been sent from two attorneys claiming to represent Koresh and Schneider. These attorneys were Richard DeGuerin and Jack Zimmerman. It was decided not to allow the attorneys to speak to Koresh and Schneider at that time, since neither of them had requested an attorney. Nevertheless at 12:44 p.m., the negotiators advised Schneider that his sister had retained an attorney for him.
At 1:24 p.m., the negotiators offered to allow Judy Schneider to come out, receive medical care for her wounds, then return to the compound. In return, the FBI asked for the exit of three individuals. This offer was rejected at 2:30 p.m.
[Material redacted as required by statute.]
(The Myth: The Davidians didn’t get any lawyers!)
[The Truth: Sure they did. This myth comes from early in the standoff when the FBI refused to let attorneys for Vernon and the Davidians confer with their clients in the compound. The reasons were twofold: 1. the Davidians and Vernon had not asked for them; 2. there was already a lawyer among the Davidians. Once again, it is the DAVIDIANS that claim the government will kill them all and set fire to the place.]
S. Olson
Friday, March 12, 2010
When I Last Left Off Listing The GOP Cocksuckers...
I was at GOP Cocksucker #355 (RYAN SORBA). I stopped because we're in the middle of the 17th anniversary of the Waco Standoff. That's where a fake pastor who claimed to be Jesus Christ, convinced his followers to shoot the cops when they came to arrest him. Then they murdered their kids and committed suicide. (Gun Nuts across the country regard them as some kind of heroes. Go figure.)
When April 20th rolls around and the 17th anniversary is over, I will go back to listing all the GOP Cocksuckers. A new one might not pop up EVERYDAY but there are lots more to come.
And the best part is that Festus can't do anything about it.
LOL!
S. Olson
When April 20th rolls around and the 17th anniversary is over, I will go back to listing all the GOP Cocksuckers. A new one might not pop up EVERYDAY but there are lots more to come.
And the best part is that Festus can't do anything about it.
LOL!
S. Olson
Day 13 of the Waco Standoff
March 12,1993
Janet Reno was sworn in as Attorney General of the United States in a ceremony at the White House.
Nothing of significance occurred at the compound until Kathy Schroeder left the compound at 10:41 a.m. At 11:50 a.m., Schroeder was interviewed and stated that there was no plan inside the compound for suicide. She assured the FBI that suicide would not occur.
In a conversation with Steve Schneider at 11:30 a.m., he indicated that, if lawyers or the press were allowed to enter the compound and speak to the individuals inside, matters might be expedited.
Between 12:00 p.m. and 12:30 p.m., there were attempts to call into the compound to allow Kathy Schroeder to assure those inside that she was being fairly treated. There was no answer to these calls. Schroeder also told the FBI that there were people inside who wanted to come out; however, Koresh had a "hold" on them. She stated that many people would leave if Koresh told them to; however, he refused to do so.
The negotiators made over two dozen attempts to call into the compound between noon and 5:00 p.m., but there was no answer. Schneider called at 5:04 p.m. and suggested that there was a technical problem with the telephones. The negotiators agreed to work on any problems with the telephones; however, they discovered no technical problems whatsoever.
At 6:00 p.m., Oliver Gyarfas exited the compound.
At 7:25 p.m., the negotiators called into the compound with Dr. John Hagman standing by. Dr. Hagman was brought in to give advice to the wounded individuals inside the compound. First, he spoke to Scott Sonobe about the wounds to his wrist and thigh. Dr. Hagman strongly suggested that Sonobe come out for medical treatment; however, he refused. At 7:40 p.m., the doctor spoke to Judy Schneider about her wounds. He gave her the same advice, and she also refused.
At 8:44 p.m., Schneider advised the negotiators that no one else would come out that day; however, he promised that Brad Branch, Kevin Whitecliff, and Rita Riddle would come out the next day.
At 9:20 p.m., a videotape was sent into the compound showing Kathy Schroeder's emotional reunion with her three-year old son, Bryan. The FBI hoped that the video might induce others to reunite with their children.
[Material redacted as required by statute]. At 11:07 p.m., SAC Jamar ordered that the electrical power be shut off once again in an attempt to demonstrate that the FBI controlled their "earthly" lives rather than Koresh. The power was never turned back on for the duration of the standoff. Schneider and Koresh immediately became outraged and complained that the termination of electrical power was an act of bad faith. They threatened to terminate all contact with the negotiators if power were not restored.
Some members of the FBI negotiation team disagreed with SAC Jamar's actions. They believed that certain tactical decisions, such as cutting the electricity, were counter-productive and undercut their credibility with those in the compound. However, in interviews with all the negotiators subsequent to the events of April 19, none believed, in hindsight, that this action had any effect on the ultimate outcome.
The evening ended with Koresh and Schneider still angry and complaining.
(The Myth: ‘Butch’ Reno was in charge of that whole thing from Day One and always intended to burn the kids alive in that church.)
[The Truth: The standoff had been going on for almost two weeks before Reno was even sworn in as AG. The Gun Nuts and Goofy Bastards with Guns and Bibles always seem to forget that fact, rather hinting instead that Reno is a lesbian. For somebody anxious to burn the kids alive in the Mt. Carmel compound, Reno sure wasted a lot of time trying to coax their parents and them out of there. The siege went on for more than five additional weeks. What didn’t make sense to us was: if you’re so anxious to burn people to death in a building, why spend more than a month try to talk them out of the building you’re planning to burn down?]
S. Olson
Janet Reno was sworn in as Attorney General of the United States in a ceremony at the White House.
Nothing of significance occurred at the compound until Kathy Schroeder left the compound at 10:41 a.m. At 11:50 a.m., Schroeder was interviewed and stated that there was no plan inside the compound for suicide. She assured the FBI that suicide would not occur.
In a conversation with Steve Schneider at 11:30 a.m., he indicated that, if lawyers or the press were allowed to enter the compound and speak to the individuals inside, matters might be expedited.
Between 12:00 p.m. and 12:30 p.m., there were attempts to call into the compound to allow Kathy Schroeder to assure those inside that she was being fairly treated. There was no answer to these calls. Schroeder also told the FBI that there were people inside who wanted to come out; however, Koresh had a "hold" on them. She stated that many people would leave if Koresh told them to; however, he refused to do so.
The negotiators made over two dozen attempts to call into the compound between noon and 5:00 p.m., but there was no answer. Schneider called at 5:04 p.m. and suggested that there was a technical problem with the telephones. The negotiators agreed to work on any problems with the telephones; however, they discovered no technical problems whatsoever.
At 6:00 p.m., Oliver Gyarfas exited the compound.
At 7:25 p.m., the negotiators called into the compound with Dr. John Hagman standing by. Dr. Hagman was brought in to give advice to the wounded individuals inside the compound. First, he spoke to Scott Sonobe about the wounds to his wrist and thigh. Dr. Hagman strongly suggested that Sonobe come out for medical treatment; however, he refused. At 7:40 p.m., the doctor spoke to Judy Schneider about her wounds. He gave her the same advice, and she also refused.
At 8:44 p.m., Schneider advised the negotiators that no one else would come out that day; however, he promised that Brad Branch, Kevin Whitecliff, and Rita Riddle would come out the next day.
At 9:20 p.m., a videotape was sent into the compound showing Kathy Schroeder's emotional reunion with her three-year old son, Bryan. The FBI hoped that the video might induce others to reunite with their children.
[Material redacted as required by statute]. At 11:07 p.m., SAC Jamar ordered that the electrical power be shut off once again in an attempt to demonstrate that the FBI controlled their "earthly" lives rather than Koresh. The power was never turned back on for the duration of the standoff. Schneider and Koresh immediately became outraged and complained that the termination of electrical power was an act of bad faith. They threatened to terminate all contact with the negotiators if power were not restored.
Some members of the FBI negotiation team disagreed with SAC Jamar's actions. They believed that certain tactical decisions, such as cutting the electricity, were counter-productive and undercut their credibility with those in the compound. However, in interviews with all the negotiators subsequent to the events of April 19, none believed, in hindsight, that this action had any effect on the ultimate outcome.
The evening ended with Koresh and Schneider still angry and complaining.
(The Myth: ‘Butch’ Reno was in charge of that whole thing from Day One and always intended to burn the kids alive in that church.)
[The Truth: The standoff had been going on for almost two weeks before Reno was even sworn in as AG. The Gun Nuts and Goofy Bastards with Guns and Bibles always seem to forget that fact, rather hinting instead that Reno is a lesbian. For somebody anxious to burn the kids alive in the Mt. Carmel compound, Reno sure wasted a lot of time trying to coax their parents and them out of there. The siege went on for more than five additional weeks. What didn’t make sense to us was: if you’re so anxious to burn people to death in a building, why spend more than a month try to talk them out of the building you’re planning to burn down?]
S. Olson
Thursday, March 11, 2010
The Latest on GOP Cocksucker #307
Sen. John Ensign has been trying to keep mum on the subject of fucking his best friend's wife, but darn it, that pesky thing keeps coming up.
The latest is that the New York Times has gotten its hands on a buncha e-mails detailing the lengths Ensign went to in order to get the cuckolded husband a job.
This would be old news except for the fact that the FBI is taking a look at whether Ensign broke lobbying rules in trying to steer lobbying work to Doug Hampton, the cuckolded husband. Ensign is claiming he didn't know the work he was trying to get for Hampton involved lobbying Congress.
What's also interesting in the e-mails is some of them show Hampton referring to the $96,000 he got from Ensign's mom and dad was 'severance,' not a 'gift' as Ensign has insisted. This is important because it was never reported as such as would be illegal if found to BE severance.
From The New York Times and TPM Muckraker.
S. Olson
The latest is that the New York Times has gotten its hands on a buncha e-mails detailing the lengths Ensign went to in order to get the cuckolded husband a job.
This would be old news except for the fact that the FBI is taking a look at whether Ensign broke lobbying rules in trying to steer lobbying work to Doug Hampton, the cuckolded husband. Ensign is claiming he didn't know the work he was trying to get for Hampton involved lobbying Congress.
What's also interesting in the e-mails is some of them show Hampton referring to the $96,000 he got from Ensign's mom and dad was 'severance,' not a 'gift' as Ensign has insisted. This is important because it was never reported as such as would be illegal if found to BE severance.
From The New York Times and TPM Muckraker.
S. Olson
Days 10-12 of the Waco Siege
[Due to a combination of computer and dental problems, I have been gone the last few days, but molar and computer are both fixed and ready to roll.]
March 9, 1993:
Shortly after midnight on March 9, the negotiators tried to drive a wedge between Schneider and Koresh. They prodded and challenged Schneider about Koresh's claim that Schneider's wife, Judy, was also one of Koresh's wives, and that Koresh claimed to have had a child with Judy. This effort failed with Schneider professing total loyalty to Koresh.
In an effort to increase the pressure on the individuals by attempting to make their living conditions a little less bearable, the electricity to the compound was cut at 2:15 a.m.' At 9:20 a.m., Koresh stated through Schneider that he would not talk further until the power was restored.
At 9:54 a.m., Schneider expressed outrage over the movement of the armored vehicles around the compound, and the degree of property damage that they were causing. Schneider threatened that "we can take you out!"
At 10:28 a.m., the power to the compound was restored in order to allow those inside the compound to watch the televised news conference 10:30 a.m. and to encourage some progress in the discussions.
At various times throughout the day, HRT members observed weapons in the windows, and firing ports being cut in the plywood which had been placed over most of the windows in the compound.
At 2:04 p.m., the FBI delivered a videotape to the compound showing that the children who had been released were healthy, happy, and being well cared for.
At 3:40 p.m., the Branch Davidians placed a sign on the outside of the tower stating "God help us, we want the press." A short while later, one law enforcement official observed a sign in the press area, known as "satellite city," which stated "God help us, we are the press."
At 3:48 p.m., Schneider informed the negotiators that they were unhappy about the videotape of the released children since the children appeared to be behaving badly.
At 5:22,p.m., negotiators talked to Judy Schneider about the bullet wound to her finger. She was feeling ill because her finger had swollen to twice its size. She was urged to come out and obtain medical help; she refused.
At 8:54 p.m., another videotape-was sent out from the compound. This tape depicted approximately 29 individuals who all stated they were voluntarily remaining inside the compound, and that they did not want to come out.
(The Myth: David Koresh wasn’t a pedophile! That’s just something the FBI made up so they could kill them with impunity.
[The Truth: Oh yes he was. Not only did Vernon like little kids, taking ‘wives’ as young as 12, he also fucked the wives of his inner circle, such as Scott Schneider’s missus.]
March 10, 1993
Due to the stalemate, the electricity was cut once again at 2:28 a.m.
During the course of the day, numerous individuals came out of the compound, walked around, then went back inside. it appeared from these actions that they were attempting to test the resolve of the agents, since the FBI had warned people not to come outside without first obtaining advance permission.
The electrical power was restored to the compound at 10:15 a.m. for the same reason as the day before. .
The FBI sent in a second videotape at 1:06 p.m. This videotape contained a number of the negotiators personally pleading for a peaceful resolution.
At 9:40 p.m., the FBI learned from the U.S. Attorney's Office that local reporters had made statements to others admitting that they had illegally intercepted the cellular telephone communications of law enforcement officials.
The day ended with only 4 ½ hours of attempted negotiations and no progress.
(The Myth: The Davidians didn’t do anything wrong. They were just defending their church!)
[The Truth: It wasn’t any ‘church’ I or anyone else is familiar with. Face it, it was a ‘compound.’ In fact, they’d had advance notice of the raid and were lying in wait for the BATF agents. So where is the ‘self-defense?’ Regardless, when does any of this entitle you to shoot the cops when they come to arrest you?]
March 11,1993
March 11 began on a hopeful note when Steve Schneider advised negotiators at 12:54 a.m. that three or more individuals might come out on the next day.
At 4:01 a.m., Kathy Schroeder called the negotiators to inform them that she was one of the individuals who would exit the next morning. Schroeder had previously sent her children out, and had lost her husband, Michael, in the second gunfight on the afternoon of February 28.
At 6:05 a.m., the negotiators noted that there had been no direct contact with Koresh for the past 24 hours. However, contact with Steve Schneider was continuing.
At 10:16 a.m., the negotiators determined that they had spoken to a total of 50 people inside the compound.
Beginning at 11:00 a.m., and lasting throughout the day, the FBI sought to determine from Schneider and others if Koresh's failure to come to the telephone was due to failing health. No definitive information was obtained.
At 4:14 p.m., Schneider told the negotiators that the next day, March 12, Kathy Schroeder, Kevin Whitecliff, Brad Branch, and Oliver Gyarfas would exit the compound.
In the same conversation at 4:21 p.m., Schneider mentioned that Koresh was listening to Paul Harvey on the radio and that Harvey described a "shooting star" called the "guitar nebula." Schneider said that "David takes it as a sign." The FBI became hopeful that this might be the sign from God that Koresh had been waiting for since March 2.
In a conversation with Koresh at 7:03 p.m., he denied that the "guitar nebula" was the sign that he was looking for.
However, Koresh would discuss the importance of the "guitar nebula" in subsequent conversations.
Conversations with Koresh, Schneider, and Kathy Schroeder continued until approximately 11:15 p.m. with the only progress being Schroeder's promise to come out the next day.
(The Myth: David Koresh never lied to the FBI!)
[The Truth: Oh yes he did. He lied to them all the time and tried playing his Jesus routine on them in the hope that he could fool them just like he’d fooled his followers and the Gun Nuts who were all set to go to Mt. Carmel and break the siege of his ‘church.’ Furthermore, it was contagious, as one of his people lied to the FBI right here.]
S. Olson
March 9, 1993:
Shortly after midnight on March 9, the negotiators tried to drive a wedge between Schneider and Koresh. They prodded and challenged Schneider about Koresh's claim that Schneider's wife, Judy, was also one of Koresh's wives, and that Koresh claimed to have had a child with Judy. This effort failed with Schneider professing total loyalty to Koresh.
In an effort to increase the pressure on the individuals by attempting to make their living conditions a little less bearable, the electricity to the compound was cut at 2:15 a.m.' At 9:20 a.m., Koresh stated through Schneider that he would not talk further until the power was restored.
At 9:54 a.m., Schneider expressed outrage over the movement of the armored vehicles around the compound, and the degree of property damage that they were causing. Schneider threatened that "we can take you out!"
At 10:28 a.m., the power to the compound was restored in order to allow those inside the compound to watch the televised news conference 10:30 a.m. and to encourage some progress in the discussions.
At various times throughout the day, HRT members observed weapons in the windows, and firing ports being cut in the plywood which had been placed over most of the windows in the compound.
At 2:04 p.m., the FBI delivered a videotape to the compound showing that the children who had been released were healthy, happy, and being well cared for.
At 3:40 p.m., the Branch Davidians placed a sign on the outside of the tower stating "God help us, we want the press." A short while later, one law enforcement official observed a sign in the press area, known as "satellite city," which stated "God help us, we are the press."
At 3:48 p.m., Schneider informed the negotiators that they were unhappy about the videotape of the released children since the children appeared to be behaving badly.
At 5:22,p.m., negotiators talked to Judy Schneider about the bullet wound to her finger. She was feeling ill because her finger had swollen to twice its size. She was urged to come out and obtain medical help; she refused.
At 8:54 p.m., another videotape-was sent out from the compound. This tape depicted approximately 29 individuals who all stated they were voluntarily remaining inside the compound, and that they did not want to come out.
(The Myth: David Koresh wasn’t a pedophile! That’s just something the FBI made up so they could kill them with impunity.
[The Truth: Oh yes he was. Not only did Vernon like little kids, taking ‘wives’ as young as 12, he also fucked the wives of his inner circle, such as Scott Schneider’s missus.]
March 10, 1993
Due to the stalemate, the electricity was cut once again at 2:28 a.m.
During the course of the day, numerous individuals came out of the compound, walked around, then went back inside. it appeared from these actions that they were attempting to test the resolve of the agents, since the FBI had warned people not to come outside without first obtaining advance permission.
The electrical power was restored to the compound at 10:15 a.m. for the same reason as the day before. .
The FBI sent in a second videotape at 1:06 p.m. This videotape contained a number of the negotiators personally pleading for a peaceful resolution.
At 9:40 p.m., the FBI learned from the U.S. Attorney's Office that local reporters had made statements to others admitting that they had illegally intercepted the cellular telephone communications of law enforcement officials.
The day ended with only 4 ½ hours of attempted negotiations and no progress.
(The Myth: The Davidians didn’t do anything wrong. They were just defending their church!)
[The Truth: It wasn’t any ‘church’ I or anyone else is familiar with. Face it, it was a ‘compound.’ In fact, they’d had advance notice of the raid and were lying in wait for the BATF agents. So where is the ‘self-defense?’ Regardless, when does any of this entitle you to shoot the cops when they come to arrest you?]
March 11,1993
March 11 began on a hopeful note when Steve Schneider advised negotiators at 12:54 a.m. that three or more individuals might come out on the next day.
At 4:01 a.m., Kathy Schroeder called the negotiators to inform them that she was one of the individuals who would exit the next morning. Schroeder had previously sent her children out, and had lost her husband, Michael, in the second gunfight on the afternoon of February 28.
At 6:05 a.m., the negotiators noted that there had been no direct contact with Koresh for the past 24 hours. However, contact with Steve Schneider was continuing.
At 10:16 a.m., the negotiators determined that they had spoken to a total of 50 people inside the compound.
Beginning at 11:00 a.m., and lasting throughout the day, the FBI sought to determine from Schneider and others if Koresh's failure to come to the telephone was due to failing health. No definitive information was obtained.
At 4:14 p.m., Schneider told the negotiators that the next day, March 12, Kathy Schroeder, Kevin Whitecliff, Brad Branch, and Oliver Gyarfas would exit the compound.
In the same conversation at 4:21 p.m., Schneider mentioned that Koresh was listening to Paul Harvey on the radio and that Harvey described a "shooting star" called the "guitar nebula." Schneider said that "David takes it as a sign." The FBI became hopeful that this might be the sign from God that Koresh had been waiting for since March 2.
In a conversation with Koresh at 7:03 p.m., he denied that the "guitar nebula" was the sign that he was looking for.
However, Koresh would discuss the importance of the "guitar nebula" in subsequent conversations.
Conversations with Koresh, Schneider, and Kathy Schroeder continued until approximately 11:15 p.m. with the only progress being Schroeder's promise to come out the next day.
(The Myth: David Koresh never lied to the FBI!)
[The Truth: Oh yes he did. He lied to them all the time and tried playing his Jesus routine on them in the hope that he could fool them just like he’d fooled his followers and the Gun Nuts who were all set to go to Mt. Carmel and break the siege of his ‘church.’ Furthermore, it was contagious, as one of his people lied to the FBI right here.]
S. Olson
Monday, March 8, 2010
Day Nine of the Waco Standoff
March 8, 1993:
On March 8, there were only 38 conversations for a total of approximately four hours. The few notable events and conversations are as follows.
11:04 a.m. to Three men left the compound
12:45 p.m. and buried the body of Peter Gent.
12:41-8 p.m. The nurse advised FBI that Koresh's wounds were healing nicely.
1:37 p.m. David Koresh reconfirmed:"I am not going to commit suicide."
3:50 p.m. FBI delivered six gallons of milk to the compound.
6:07 p.m. Koresh and Schneider sent out a videotape showing Koresh's wounds and several children.
10:25 p.m. Tapes from family members were played over the telephone to several individuals in the compound.
(The Myth: David Koresh was a hero for gun rights. He REFUSED to give up his guns so the FBI murdered him!)
[The Truth: What Vernon Howell REALLY was, was a wannabee rock star, a mass-murderer, a pedophile, a psychopath and a fake priest. He claimed, alternately, to be Jesus Christ, God or the Lamb of God, depending on how he felt that day and what he thought he could get away with. Gun nuts cannot accept the fact that he fooled them just as he did his followers, so they have to elevate him into ‘a hero for gun rights.’
[It was about this time that the Myth of Vernon had spread to ‘militia cells’ all over the country; in other words, more and more peckerwoods and dupes were grumbling into their Budweisers that Vernon and his minions were peacefully praying in a church when the evil feds came calling. Vernon’s only problem was not that he was a pedophile, but that he didn’t murder ALL the ATF agents when they arrived with their warrant as she should have done. In their eyes, they deserved it. So they grumbled they were going to do something about it. What did they do? Well, does the word ‘jackshit’ ring a bell?]
S. Olson
On March 8, there were only 38 conversations for a total of approximately four hours. The few notable events and conversations are as follows.
11:04 a.m. to Three men left the compound
12:45 p.m. and buried the body of Peter Gent.
12:41-8 p.m. The nurse advised FBI that Koresh's wounds were healing nicely.
1:37 p.m. David Koresh reconfirmed:"I am not going to commit suicide."
3:50 p.m. FBI delivered six gallons of milk to the compound.
6:07 p.m. Koresh and Schneider sent out a videotape showing Koresh's wounds and several children.
10:25 p.m. Tapes from family members were played over the telephone to several individuals in the compound.
(The Myth: David Koresh was a hero for gun rights. He REFUSED to give up his guns so the FBI murdered him!)
[The Truth: What Vernon Howell REALLY was, was a wannabee rock star, a mass-murderer, a pedophile, a psychopath and a fake priest. He claimed, alternately, to be Jesus Christ, God or the Lamb of God, depending on how he felt that day and what he thought he could get away with. Gun nuts cannot accept the fact that he fooled them just as he did his followers, so they have to elevate him into ‘a hero for gun rights.’
[It was about this time that the Myth of Vernon had spread to ‘militia cells’ all over the country; in other words, more and more peckerwoods and dupes were grumbling into their Budweisers that Vernon and his minions were peacefully praying in a church when the evil feds came calling. Vernon’s only problem was not that he was a pedophile, but that he didn’t murder ALL the ATF agents when they arrived with their warrant as she should have done. In their eyes, they deserved it. So they grumbled they were going to do something about it. What did they do? Well, does the word ‘jackshit’ ring a bell?]
S. Olson
Sunday, March 7, 2010
Day Eight of the Waco Standoff
Tuesday, March 7, 1993:
The early morning hours began with Koresh on the telephone at 12:11 a.m. During this entire conversation, which lasted until 3:15 a.m., the negotiators urged Koresh and his followers to leave peacefully. Koresh, in turn preached, claimed on numerous occasions that he was "Christ" and the "Lord," and stressed that everyone in the compound was remaining inside pursuant to their own free will. The negotiators noted at 12:45 a.m. that Koresh's delivery of religious rhetoric was so strong that they could hardly interrupt him to discuss possible surrender.
For the remainder of March 7, virtually everyone in the compound who spoke to FBI negotiators expressed their anger and frustration. There were 42 separate conversations which lasted approximately twelve hours. The two main concerns of the Branch Davidians on that day were the FBI's delay in delivering milk for the children, and the denial of direct access to the media.
Concerning the milk, the FBI had offered milk in return for the release of some children. This offer was rejected by Schneider and Koresh at 9:12 a.m. Afterwards, four different individuals came on the line and complained bitterly about the milk. These individuals also confirmed that they did not want to come out.
Conversations were held with Schneider and Koresh between 12:23 p.m. and 12:51 p.m., and again between 2:48 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. To the entreaties of the negotiators, Schneider, Koresh, and Wayne Martin threatened, preached, and refused to agree to anything. Koresh stressed several times during these conversations that only he knew the secret of the Seven Seals, and that he would refuse to listen to anyone who did not know as much as he. Koresh asserted that, if negotiators or some preachers could prove to him that he was wrong about the Seven Seals, he would surrender. However, on the other hand, Koresh declared that, if he were right about the Seven Seals, "you're mine!"
At 6:11 p,.m., after speaking to several other individuals, the negotiators spoke once again with Koresh. In this conversation Koresh refused to consider sending more children out:
KORESH: "You're dealing with my biological children now.
FBI: Why do you say that?
KORESH: Because that's what we've come down to."
Later in the conversation, after additional threats by Koresh, the FBI negotiator said:
FBI: Do you, do you really think we're going to start firing indiscriminately up at that place? [i.e., the compound]
KORESH: I sure hope so.
The evening ended with continuing conversations but no progress.
(The Myth: The Davidians COULDN’T come out of the compound! The FBI wouldn’t let them out!)
[The Truth: Oh bullshit. The FBI tried weeks of negotiations to get the Davidians to come out just like the 14 kids that came out in the first two days, but the Davidians held firm in their “no.” All the FBI got was that Jesus Wannabee saying “I sure hope so,” when the possibility of the FBI shooting up the place rears its head.]
S. Olson.
The early morning hours began with Koresh on the telephone at 12:11 a.m. During this entire conversation, which lasted until 3:15 a.m., the negotiators urged Koresh and his followers to leave peacefully. Koresh, in turn preached, claimed on numerous occasions that he was "Christ" and the "Lord," and stressed that everyone in the compound was remaining inside pursuant to their own free will. The negotiators noted at 12:45 a.m. that Koresh's delivery of religious rhetoric was so strong that they could hardly interrupt him to discuss possible surrender.
For the remainder of March 7, virtually everyone in the compound who spoke to FBI negotiators expressed their anger and frustration. There were 42 separate conversations which lasted approximately twelve hours. The two main concerns of the Branch Davidians on that day were the FBI's delay in delivering milk for the children, and the denial of direct access to the media.
Concerning the milk, the FBI had offered milk in return for the release of some children. This offer was rejected by Schneider and Koresh at 9:12 a.m. Afterwards, four different individuals came on the line and complained bitterly about the milk. These individuals also confirmed that they did not want to come out.
Conversations were held with Schneider and Koresh between 12:23 p.m. and 12:51 p.m., and again between 2:48 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. To the entreaties of the negotiators, Schneider, Koresh, and Wayne Martin threatened, preached, and refused to agree to anything. Koresh stressed several times during these conversations that only he knew the secret of the Seven Seals, and that he would refuse to listen to anyone who did not know as much as he. Koresh asserted that, if negotiators or some preachers could prove to him that he was wrong about the Seven Seals, he would surrender. However, on the other hand, Koresh declared that, if he were right about the Seven Seals, "you're mine!"
At 6:11 p,.m., after speaking to several other individuals, the negotiators spoke once again with Koresh. In this conversation Koresh refused to consider sending more children out:
KORESH: "You're dealing with my biological children now.
FBI: Why do you say that?
KORESH: Because that's what we've come down to."
Later in the conversation, after additional threats by Koresh, the FBI negotiator said:
FBI: Do you, do you really think we're going to start firing indiscriminately up at that place? [i.e., the compound]
KORESH: I sure hope so.
The evening ended with continuing conversations but no progress.
(The Myth: The Davidians COULDN’T come out of the compound! The FBI wouldn’t let them out!)
[The Truth: Oh bullshit. The FBI tried weeks of negotiations to get the Davidians to come out just like the 14 kids that came out in the first two days, but the Davidians held firm in their “no.” All the FBI got was that Jesus Wannabee saying “I sure hope so,” when the possibility of the FBI shooting up the place rears its head.]
S. Olson.
Friday, March 5, 2010
Day Six of the Waco Standoff
March 5, 1993
This day began on an upbeat note when Heather Jones, age 9, was released at 8:39 a.m. However, this event had to be balanced against the notification from the Methodist Children's Home that Joan Vaega, who had been released on March 2, had a note pinned to her jacket. The note was from Joan's mother to Joan's older sister Ursula in Hawaii. It stated that by the time Ursula read the note-1 she (the mother) would be dead, and that once the children were out, the adults were going to die.
The FBI had been concerned from the outset about the possibility that those inside the compound might commit suicide. For this reason, the negotiators asked Koresh and Schneider on numerous occasions whether they were contemplating suicide, and whether everyone was going to come out of the compound alive. Both Koresh and Schneider always assured the negotiators that suicide was not an option, and that everyone was going to come out. During the entire course of the standoff, the FBI sought the advice of experts on the issue of suicide. They also sought the advice of former and present Branch Davidians. Unfortunately, the FBI received inconsistent information about the likelihood of suicide, the effect of which was to leave the FBI with no choice but to speak directly to Koresh, to determine whether suicide would occur.
At 9:45 a.m., the FBI learned from local water supply officials that the compound had its own separate water supply that could not be shut off. The water came from a well with an electric pump. Therefore, unless the pump could be shut down, their water supply was limitless. The Davidians also, according to information obtained by the FBI, had extensive supplies of food, including canned goods and military-style MREs (Meals Ready to Eat). It was believed that these supplies could last for up to one year. Witnesses told the FBI and Texas Rangers that the Branch Davidians had purchased literally thousands of surplus MREs.
In a conversation at 11:59 a.m., Koresh admitted that he and his followers had been preparing for battle with the authorities since 1985, and he threatened to "blow the tanks to pieces." In the same conversation the FBI offered, and Koresh accepted, a suture kit to treat his wounds, a videotape of the children who had been released, and photographs of the children for the parents who had remained in the compound. These items were delivered to the front door of the compound at 12:50 p.m. Part of the FBI's negotiation strategy was to play on parental feelings for the children, and hopefully hasten the exit of the parents.
Koresh continued to alternate between preaching to the negotiators and threatening violence for most of the afternoon. Koresh firmly maintained that he could not come out until ordered to do so by God. At 5:22 p.m., when questioned about additional children coming out, Koresh stated for the first time that "We're dealing with some of my children" and that "my children that I have are different than the other children." This was the first indication that Koresh might not allow children he considered to be his to leave.
At 5:53 p.m. Schneider informed the negotiators that Peter Gent's body had been found at the edge of the building within the compound. Gent had been shot and killed, presumably by the ATF, during the initial shootout on February 28. Schneider wanted to remove the body and give it to the FBI; however, the negotiators refused this request unless two persons, who would remain outside, accompanied the body. Koresh refused to allow this; therefore, Peter Gent's body remained on the grounds.
The evening ended with Koresh criticizing the negotiators about their lack of knowledge of the Seven Seals, and Schneider's continuing declarations of full support for Koresh.
(The Myth: The Davidians never intended to commit suicide. They weren’t hurting anybody. Why didn’t the FBI leave them alone?)
[The Truth: The families of the four murdered ATF agents might have a different opinion of the Davidians ‘not hurting anybody.’ The FBI didn’t leave them alone because it’s their responsibility to arrest people who shoot cops. The Goofy Bastards think they should just go away and lick their wounds. Man, I can't help but notice that Festus has NOTHING to say about any of this. LOL
[Well, Vernon's back telling lies to the FBI again. This marks the fifth day Vernon's told a whopper.]
S. Olson
This day began on an upbeat note when Heather Jones, age 9, was released at 8:39 a.m. However, this event had to be balanced against the notification from the Methodist Children's Home that Joan Vaega, who had been released on March 2, had a note pinned to her jacket. The note was from Joan's mother to Joan's older sister Ursula in Hawaii. It stated that by the time Ursula read the note-1 she (the mother) would be dead, and that once the children were out, the adults were going to die.
The FBI had been concerned from the outset about the possibility that those inside the compound might commit suicide. For this reason, the negotiators asked Koresh and Schneider on numerous occasions whether they were contemplating suicide, and whether everyone was going to come out of the compound alive. Both Koresh and Schneider always assured the negotiators that suicide was not an option, and that everyone was going to come out. During the entire course of the standoff, the FBI sought the advice of experts on the issue of suicide. They also sought the advice of former and present Branch Davidians. Unfortunately, the FBI received inconsistent information about the likelihood of suicide, the effect of which was to leave the FBI with no choice but to speak directly to Koresh, to determine whether suicide would occur.
At 9:45 a.m., the FBI learned from local water supply officials that the compound had its own separate water supply that could not be shut off. The water came from a well with an electric pump. Therefore, unless the pump could be shut down, their water supply was limitless. The Davidians also, according to information obtained by the FBI, had extensive supplies of food, including canned goods and military-style MREs (Meals Ready to Eat). It was believed that these supplies could last for up to one year. Witnesses told the FBI and Texas Rangers that the Branch Davidians had purchased literally thousands of surplus MREs.
In a conversation at 11:59 a.m., Koresh admitted that he and his followers had been preparing for battle with the authorities since 1985, and he threatened to "blow the tanks to pieces." In the same conversation the FBI offered, and Koresh accepted, a suture kit to treat his wounds, a videotape of the children who had been released, and photographs of the children for the parents who had remained in the compound. These items were delivered to the front door of the compound at 12:50 p.m. Part of the FBI's negotiation strategy was to play on parental feelings for the children, and hopefully hasten the exit of the parents.
Koresh continued to alternate between preaching to the negotiators and threatening violence for most of the afternoon. Koresh firmly maintained that he could not come out until ordered to do so by God. At 5:22 p.m., when questioned about additional children coming out, Koresh stated for the first time that "We're dealing with some of my children" and that "my children that I have are different than the other children." This was the first indication that Koresh might not allow children he considered to be his to leave.
At 5:53 p.m. Schneider informed the negotiators that Peter Gent's body had been found at the edge of the building within the compound. Gent had been shot and killed, presumably by the ATF, during the initial shootout on February 28. Schneider wanted to remove the body and give it to the FBI; however, the negotiators refused this request unless two persons, who would remain outside, accompanied the body. Koresh refused to allow this; therefore, Peter Gent's body remained on the grounds.
The evening ended with Koresh criticizing the negotiators about their lack of knowledge of the Seven Seals, and Schneider's continuing declarations of full support for Koresh.
(The Myth: The Davidians never intended to commit suicide. They weren’t hurting anybody. Why didn’t the FBI leave them alone?)
[The Truth: The families of the four murdered ATF agents might have a different opinion of the Davidians ‘not hurting anybody.’ The FBI didn’t leave them alone because it’s their responsibility to arrest people who shoot cops. The Goofy Bastards think they should just go away and lick their wounds. Man, I can't help but notice that Festus has NOTHING to say about any of this. LOL
[Well, Vernon's back telling lies to the FBI again. This marks the fifth day Vernon's told a whopper.]
S. Olson
Thursday, March 4, 2010
Day Five of the Waco Siege
THURSDAY, MARCH 4:
Negotiators jawbone for 11 hours with various Davidians, including 7 hours and 38 minutes with KORESH. The negotiators remain "calm and conciliatory." A memo written by Pete SMERICK and Mark YOUNG, two FBI psychological profilers, says a strategy of negotiations, coupled with ever increasing tactical presence, could be counter-productive and result in the loss of life.
(Myth: The FBI hates guns and that’s why they wanted to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: This one just makes no fucking sense at all. On one hand the Goofy Bastards scream that the FBI pinned down the Davidians so they could burn to death in their compound, then they claim the FBI hates guns. So, by their own fruitcake reasoning the gun-hating FBI pinned down the Davidians with anything but guns. Spitballs maybe.
Well, at least this marks the first day Vernon didn’t lie to them.]
S. Olson
Negotiators jawbone for 11 hours with various Davidians, including 7 hours and 38 minutes with KORESH. The negotiators remain "calm and conciliatory." A memo written by Pete SMERICK and Mark YOUNG, two FBI psychological profilers, says a strategy of negotiations, coupled with ever increasing tactical presence, could be counter-productive and result in the loss of life.
(Myth: The FBI hates guns and that’s why they wanted to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: This one just makes no fucking sense at all. On one hand the Goofy Bastards scream that the FBI pinned down the Davidians so they could burn to death in their compound, then they claim the FBI hates guns. So, by their own fruitcake reasoning the gun-hating FBI pinned down the Davidians with anything but guns. Spitballs maybe.
Well, at least this marks the first day Vernon didn’t lie to them.]
S. Olson
Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Day Four of the Waco Standoff
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3:
In a conciliatory gesture, the FBI intervenes to have murder charges dropped against two elderly women, Davidians who had left the compound on March 2. Speaking with negotiators, KORESH accounts for his failure to surrender, as agreed, by saying he's "dealing now with his Father" and not with "your bureaucratic system of government." And he delivers various rambling sermons, focusing on such Biblical matters as "unlocking" the Seven Seals and interpreting God's intentions about the end of the world. In a late-evening conversation, he bristles at the movement of armored vehicles around the compound and says the FBI would have to "look at some of the pictures of the little ones that ended up perishing." [Scruggs 38-41]
(Myth: The FBI never intended anybody to come out of that compound alive.)
[The Truth: Oh really? Maybe that’s why they had day after day of painstaking negotiations with Burnin’ Vernon--listening to his bullshit for weeks--all with the goal of getting the Davidians out alive and unharmed. Here’s a newsflash: Burnin’ Vernon was lying to the FBI from Day One. What he REALLY wanted was to drag them into his weird world where he was Jesus and he could fuck their wives as much as he wanted. In other words, Vernon’s theology boiled down to, ‘All for me, none for you.’
You know what made Vernon really mad? The fact that he couldn’t preach on one of the religious networks after he lied to the FBI and said he’d come out once one of his tapes was broadcast, which it was. TWICE. They didn’t take him seriously after that and that infuriated him. In the early days he bitched and whined about it constantly. Later on in the siege, when the FBI was going to tow away his fucking Camaro, Vernon got VERY upset.
By the way, this marks the FOURTH time Vernon lied to the FBI.]
In a conciliatory gesture, the FBI intervenes to have murder charges dropped against two elderly women, Davidians who had left the compound on March 2. Speaking with negotiators, KORESH accounts for his failure to surrender, as agreed, by saying he's "dealing now with his Father" and not with "your bureaucratic system of government." And he delivers various rambling sermons, focusing on such Biblical matters as "unlocking" the Seven Seals and interpreting God's intentions about the end of the world. In a late-evening conversation, he bristles at the movement of armored vehicles around the compound and says the FBI would have to "look at some of the pictures of the little ones that ended up perishing." [Scruggs 38-41]
(Myth: The FBI never intended anybody to come out of that compound alive.)
[The Truth: Oh really? Maybe that’s why they had day after day of painstaking negotiations with Burnin’ Vernon--listening to his bullshit for weeks--all with the goal of getting the Davidians out alive and unharmed. Here’s a newsflash: Burnin’ Vernon was lying to the FBI from Day One. What he REALLY wanted was to drag them into his weird world where he was Jesus and he could fuck their wives as much as he wanted. In other words, Vernon’s theology boiled down to, ‘All for me, none for you.’
You know what made Vernon really mad? The fact that he couldn’t preach on one of the religious networks after he lied to the FBI and said he’d come out once one of his tapes was broadcast, which it was. TWICE. They didn’t take him seriously after that and that infuriated him. In the early days he bitched and whined about it constantly. Later on in the siege, when the FBI was going to tow away his fucking Camaro, Vernon got VERY upset.
By the way, this marks the FOURTH time Vernon lied to the FBI.]
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Day Three of the Waco Standoff
TUESDAY, MARCH 2:
Into the wee hours the negotiations continue. In the early morning, KORESH makes a one-hour audio tape of his religious teachings, adding a preamble promising to surrender upon the national broadcast of tape. At 1:30 p.m., the tape is broadcast over the Christian Broadcasting Network. At 5:58 p.m, the word is relayed to negotiations from KORESH that God had spoken to him and had told him to wait. GERSON states that the strategy is "to talk them out, no matter how long it took." CLINTON calls GERSON and agrees to deploy military vehicles for safety purposes. [ Scruggs 32-35, 238, 239]
(Myth: Clinton planned all along to use the military to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: Using the military was Gerson’s idea.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied THREE times.]
S. Olson
Into the wee hours the negotiations continue. In the early morning, KORESH makes a one-hour audio tape of his religious teachings, adding a preamble promising to surrender upon the national broadcast of tape. At 1:30 p.m., the tape is broadcast over the Christian Broadcasting Network. At 5:58 p.m, the word is relayed to negotiations from KORESH that God had spoken to him and had told him to wait. GERSON states that the strategy is "to talk them out, no matter how long it took." CLINTON calls GERSON and agrees to deploy military vehicles for safety purposes. [ Scruggs 32-35, 238, 239]
(Myth: Clinton planned all along to use the military to kill the Davidians.)
[The Truth: Using the military was Gerson’s idea.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied THREE times.]
S. Olson
Monday, March 1, 2010
Day Two of The Waco Siege
MONDAY, MARCH 1:
In the early morning, Acting Attorney General Stuart GERSON gives an update to CLINTON, who implicitly endorses a negotiated solution and asks to be advised if there is any change in strategy. Larry POTTS at FBI headquarters in Washington and JAMAR in Waco are in command. Negotiations continue, and over the course of the day, 10 children are sent out of the compound. By 5 p.m., the FBI takes control with a fully functioning command post. FBI agents in armored vehicles deploy to the compound's perimeter. KORESH becomes extremely agitated when the armored vehicles move closer and when his phone line is cut except for outgoing calls to the negotiators. At least twice, KORESH says suicide is not being contemplated. CLINTON and FBI Director William SESSIONS talk about how to handle crisis. SESSIONS favors "waiting strategy," and CLINTON approves this tactic. [ Scruggs 9, 27, 28, 29, 30, 126, 237]
(Myth: [Attorney General] Janet Reno took charge of Waco from Day One and privately vowed to burn the Davidians to death for defying the federal government’ s arrest warrant.)
[The Truth: Stuart Gerson, the acting attorney general and a creature from the administration of Bush the Smarter, was in charge of the Department of Justice when the Davidians shot the ATF agents. Since President Clinton was slow in making his appointments, when Burnin’ Vernon and his followers decided to shoot the cops, he didn’t even have an AG yet.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied twice to the FBI when he said suicide was not being contemplated. Vernon’s brand of Christianity espoused that the U.S. government was part of ‘evil Babylon’ and that the Davidians would reach God sooner if they died in a fire.]
S. Olson
In the early morning, Acting Attorney General Stuart GERSON gives an update to CLINTON, who implicitly endorses a negotiated solution and asks to be advised if there is any change in strategy. Larry POTTS at FBI headquarters in Washington and JAMAR in Waco are in command. Negotiations continue, and over the course of the day, 10 children are sent out of the compound. By 5 p.m., the FBI takes control with a fully functioning command post. FBI agents in armored vehicles deploy to the compound's perimeter. KORESH becomes extremely agitated when the armored vehicles move closer and when his phone line is cut except for outgoing calls to the negotiators. At least twice, KORESH says suicide is not being contemplated. CLINTON and FBI Director William SESSIONS talk about how to handle crisis. SESSIONS favors "waiting strategy," and CLINTON approves this tactic. [ Scruggs 9, 27, 28, 29, 30, 126, 237]
(Myth: [Attorney General] Janet Reno took charge of Waco from Day One and privately vowed to burn the Davidians to death for defying the federal government’ s arrest warrant.)
[The Truth: Stuart Gerson, the acting attorney general and a creature from the administration of Bush the Smarter, was in charge of the Department of Justice when the Davidians shot the ATF agents. Since President Clinton was slow in making his appointments, when Burnin’ Vernon and his followers decided to shoot the cops, he didn’t even have an AG yet.
Burnin’ Vernon has now lied twice to the FBI when he said suicide was not being contemplated. Vernon’s brand of Christianity espoused that the U.S. government was part of ‘evil Babylon’ and that the Davidians would reach God sooner if they died in a fire.]
S. Olson
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